Dreams of a double-wide trailer....that is too freakin' funny!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

A two story double wide at that with a garden tub!!

Unless I am mistaken (and I oft am, and I appreciate the forgiveness of this group) ALL prescription drugs are "controlled". Schedule V drugs like Prozac and Paxil are "controlled" meaning you need a `script to buy them.

Just because they aren't Schedule I or II doesn't mean they aren't illegal to possess without a prescription. It is entirely possible to go to prison for possessing Prozac. (I said possible, not likely...)

Now I just have to ask - why the f*&! would any intelligent person be watching Judge Judy? I thought they had yanked her off the air anyway, after she announced that needle exchange programs should start intentionally giving out AIDS-infected needles "to end the junkie problem".

She said that in front of a big conference in Australia where they were discussing ideas about how to best control their necessary needle exchange program without looking like they were condoning I.V. drug use. The backlash cost her her career, but I thought it had also cost her her show.

I guess if Rush can stay on the air, so can his fellow psychopath Judy. If she were to share some of those needles with him, the world really might be a better place.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/128/dumpjudgejudy.shtml

Oh and hey, let's not be too quick to dis a double-wide trailer - bury that puppy on some acreage in back of your house, pipe in CO2 and electricity for the HPS lights and you've got a mighty fine underground grow room.

For tomatos, of course.

good day all,
i really do not watch judge judy but i have read about her and know she sat on the district court seat in new york(bronx and brooklyn)i know the one courthouse because my mom's passed but her family and mine were from flatbush brooklyn.
if she said that the needle exchange should give out aids infected ones so that would kill off the "junkies" she is a sick women.correct me but i have heard of people holding up banks or people using a needle saying it had aids on it and they were charged with armed robbery and attempted murder if they stuck someone.she is advocating giving "addicted"people with loaded guns more or less.pull her off the air and make her do community time at aids clinics and methadone clinics.i do not say junkies,i prefer people with the disease of addiction.yes,i am the former u.s. marine for 8 yrs and blown to hell in beruit,lebanon and that makes me apreciate life even more.sorry i i offended anyone.
semper fi
jesse

Hey...watch it. No everybody finds Rush so offensive. If you listen, he has interesting viewpoints and is very original in getting his point of view across. We could all take lessons in how to do it from him. The message is questionable, but the messenger is a MASTER. He could aid you Trank.

JUDGE WAPNER Rules!!! He started the whole People's Court thing way back when. His were real cases in the small claims court of LA. He attempted to educate people regarding the law, these new shows are all about fake drama.

My favorite old show featured a porn model (actual case, remember) who claimed that John Stagliano (Buttman) did not compensate her as agreed on a recent film. Just hearing trusted, avuncular Judge Wapner say "Buttman" with a straight face (no pun intended) was hilarious.

I learned a lot about the law from Judge Joseph Wapner. As far as I'm concerned, the rest are just cashing in, not educating.

Nah jesseblueyes you didn't offend me a bit, and I apologize if I sounded like you had.

I just saw you mention this insane criminal woman and expressed surprise that she was still allowed to speak on the air after that fiasco.

I really thought she had been hiding in obscurity - but I guess daytime television *IS* obscurity, when it comes to the more intellectual class

Please see
http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=143166

I do agree with some of what you are saying. I am fairly far to the political right, and I get a little embarrassed for good Republicans when I hear that twit mispronounce the names of Senators, when he misquotes a specific headline, when he discusses a past historical event and gets his dates ALL wrong...

I agree with much of his political opinions, but he is such a poor showman that he does good Republicans a tremendous disservice. People will think "if they are all as dumb as Rush..." and I find that offensive.

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Hey...watch it. No everybody finds Rush so offensive. If you listen, he has interesting viewpoints and is very original in getting his point of view across. We could all take lessons in how to do it from him. The message is questionable, but the messenger is a MASTER. He could aid you Trank.

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All prescriptions are NOT necessarily scheduled. There are tons of prescription drugs that have no schedule whatsoever.

I'm not DMG but yes I have seen the affliction. It is caused by a severe reaction/infection resulting from a common mold (Aspergillus I think)....do a google search on "Man without a Face"....this guy had the same problem and was fitted with a prosthetic face before he passed away last year.

Judge Judy Rocks....! Lets bust everyone with antibiotics they purchased while on vacation in Mexico!LOL

Soma is scheduled in some states (like Oregon) but like was said above only narcotics or addictive type medications are "scheduled" as they call it, but any medication that you can't buy over the counter must have a prescription to go with it or it isn't legal.

I think Rush, Judge Judy, that antisephetic moron Michael Savage (who is nothing short of a Facist) and the rest ALL need to remember that wise saying that involves throwing stones and glass houses. They all seem to forget that issues they spout off about effect real people, and (particularly in Limbaugh's case) they too are people who might be subject to the same weaknesses that they contantly rant about simply to get ratings. But most of them are far too sanctimounious to consider that they might actually be human.

Ok, on that last part that might have a point. Maybe they aren't human.

Soma is a schedule IV in Virginia and maybe a few other states, this happened through a request from the state AGs office over a year ago and was placed in a budget bill.

States do have the authority, albeit limited in some ways, to actually schedule some medications. Soma was scheduled in Virginia based on the fact that its active metabolite is Meprobamate, which is a schedule IV drug if taken in its own form. Meprobamate was given as a sedative in the 60s and 70s and even in the 80s was used with caffeine and apap and called Equagesic by Wyeth. It can does have an abuse potential and withdrawls have been described similar to benzos although not chemically similar to benzos at all.

Meprobamate itself without anything added was called Milltown and used as a sedative and sleep medication and Meprobamate was also added to dexedrine and called Dexamil I think, it was considered to be good for depression and alcoholism. Please don't hold me to all the names but there is some vague accuracy (boy is that a cop out) in this post.

When a medication is Scheduled (Class C) it's because it has been determined to have some addictive qualities. The higher the addiction potential, the higher the rating (but in scheduling the numbers go down, i.e. CV is lowest, CI is highest). Having any prescription medication without a prescription is actually a federal law. Most prescriptions have the federal warning on them that indicate this (indicating not to share). I haven't working in Pharmacy for better part of 4 years now (was a Pharm Tech for 8 years and now work in Clinical Research), so I might be a little rusty with some knowledge, for which I apologize in advance.

Please follow the link for info on what is a prescription drug, and which prescription drugs contain controlled substances
http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/183365/an/0/page/0#183365

Viagra is a prescription drug that does not contain controlled substances

Vicodin is a prescription drug that contains a controlled substance called hydrocodone

Regardless of what Admin is trying to say........ individual states can and do indeed schedule some medications. Soma is one that is a schedule IV in Virginia.
See below from http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10913/10913p.pdf

Reports of Soma abuse have resulted in a
number of states scheduling Soma
as a controlled substance. States that
have taken this action are Alabama,
Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia,
Hawaii, Indiana, Kentucky, Minnesota,
New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, Virginia and
West Virginia. Soma is not scheduled
at the federal level. However, reports of
Soma abuse are being monitored by
the drug Enforcement Administration,
and Soma could be listed under
the Controlled Substances Act if
warranted.


Just to back up my previous post about Soma being a Scedule IV controlled substance by state law in Virginia and now as you can see the other states noted in the URL I refer to.

As much as I really can't stand Limbaugh ( I used to love him, before anyone really knew him much I caught him on an AM station out of DC and loved him), then when I became a parent and Limbaugh started bashing young Chelsea Clinton and saying nasty things about her, I began to dispise him, low and behold he turned me into quite a moderate and a liberal on some levels.

However, about Limbaugh I will say this, he had (has) a problem with drug addiction. For that I have sympathy for him regardless of how much I can't stand him. One of the few and very rare side effects of very very high doses of some synthetic narcotics is loss of hearing. It happened to him and fortunately for him he is a billionaire and could afford cochlear implants.

Anyway, the point about Soma and drug schedules.

It is illegal to possess any prescription drug without a prescription. At least in most states it is. Now I have been arrested for this when I was a freshman in college, I had a prescription drug in sample bottles without a prescription. The case was dismissed because the medication was given to me by a licensed physician and as long as he charted that he gave me the samples it was called an "Oral Prescription".

Common non controlled prescriptions like celebrex for example are illegal to possess without a prescription, it is like a class 6 misdemeanor in my state.... not much more than a traffic ticket.

Possession of a controlled substance without a prescription is a felony in my state, a class 6 felony though, so not a big one.

Federally controlled drugs under schedule I are totally illegal and "have no medical use or value" according to the DEA and possess a high potential for abuse. Examples are heroin, qualude, LSD, Mescaline etc.

Schedule II controlled substances have a medical use and value but a high abuse potential. One can no longer receive a refill but must have a written prescription. Except certain emergency circumstances one can not call in a schedule II medication into a pharmacy. Examples are Oxycontin, Percocet, Ritalin, Adderall, Cocaine (in manufactured pharmaceutical form), etc.

Schedule III controlled substances have a moderate potential for abuse and generally include narcotics like hydrocodone preparations with apap, barbiturate preparations with apap like fiorinal, fioricet, tylelol #3, Tylenol #4 etc. These can be called in to a pharmacy by your doctor if needed and do not have to be followed by a written prescription (yet??).

Schedule IV controlled substances still have an abuse potential but considered non narcotic mostly and have less abuse potential then a schedule III. Such medications that are schedule IV are the benzodiazapines like valium, xanax, librium, Soma in some states, Davorcet, Talacen, Nubaine (in some states only), phentermine etc. I think Provigil is a schedule IV but don't hold me to that.

Schedule V controlled substances are usually cough preparations with codeine and other drugs like an antihistimine or perhaps a decongestant or expectorant like guifenisen (worthless). Such drugs in this category also include mild narcotics for diarhhea like lomitil, paragoric as well as robitussin with codeine etc.

There is no such thing as a schedule VI, all other prescription medications are considered to be illegal to have without a script, althouth it seems rarely enforced.

Hope this clears things up. As I said earlier some states can under some circumstances schedule a medication if they believe it has an abuse potential in their region. As noted earlier Soma and Nubaine are two medications that are Schedule IV in some states but not federally scheduled by the DEA.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html


PS: I still listen to Rush eventhough I really think he is mean spirited sometimes. While I am by no means a conservative anymore he does makes some good points and has some good information that is not partisan.

Judge judy spent like 20 some years in KIDDY Court in new york. She had a reputation with Attorneys as being a Judge in Kiddy court nobody wanted to appear before.

i though Soma was schedule IV? maybe even III is some states?

FAIR did an essay on his hilarious fubars, and one of them was when he said outright "I do not EVER bash ANYONE personally, and I challenge anyone to think of a single time that I have."

Then ten minutes later, he says:

"We all hear about the Clinton's cat Socks, but we don't hear much about their dog, Chelsea."

Bashing a 15 year old girl is beneath reproach, but it is daily fare for Limbaugh. It is the best he can do, since he can't seem to even remember how to pronounce the names of any politicians.

It is that kind of poison that Limbaugh has injected into the veins of REAL Republicans everywhere. He has single-handedly done more damage to the Right than any of Al Franken's excellent books.

If Rush were to die, the Republican Party would be much better off. Democrats are already effectively dead, but the Republicans are now winners ONLY because Democrats have done themselves so much harm. Now Republicans think they've won, while morons like Rush are slowly becoming the Bill Clintons of their party...

Anyway to correct all of the inaccurate information being posted about controlled substances:

Yeah ALL drugs that require a prescription are scheduled. but not all scheduled drugs require a prescription.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

ALL prescription drugs are controlled, and which of the five schedules they are put into depends upon the feds and in some cases, the states.

So if it has a prescription label on the bottle, it is BOTH controlled AND scheduled. Always. No questions. The only difference between them will be which of the schedules it is in.

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As much as I really can't stand Limbaugh ( I used to love him, before anyone really knew him much I caught him on an AM station out of DC and loved him), then when I became a parent and Limbaugh started bashing young Chelsea Clinton and saying nasty things about her, I began to dispise him, low and behold he turned me into quite a moderate and a liberal on some levels.

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Trank, I may have just misunderstood your post as you state the following:

"Yeah ALL drugs that require a prescription are scheduled. but not all scheduled drugs require a prescription.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

ALL prescription drugs are controlled, and which of the five schedules they are put into depends upon the feds and in some cases, the states."

But according to my Nursing drug Book and the DEA website, not ALL drugs are scheduled, only drugs with a potential for abuse. An example of a non-scheduled drug would be antibiotics which do not fall under any of the schedules. You are correct that most drugs are "controlled" in one way or another in that they may require a prescription in order to get them, but only drugs with a potential for abuse falls under the CSA (Controlled Subtances Act).

Here is the DEA's list of schedules:

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html

http://www.drugtopics.com/drugtopics/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=175855

You are right, my bad. I misunderstood Wiki, but I found a chart on the GAO site that explains that there are a couple drugs that are prescription but not scheduled.

I stand corrected, and I apologize for my mistake.

The URL at the top for example shows the very first and only non-scheduled sleep medication.

So there apparently are some rare and essentially useless drugs that aren't scheduled but are available by prescription, presumably so insurance will cover them (as opposed to OTC which insurance won't typically carry).

Another outstanding read that is related to this site in general is:

http://www.house.gov/commerce_democrats/press/108ltr66.htm

So - Anti-depressants are rare and essentially useless(I'm sure some will agree); Cholesterol Drugs are useless and rare; I mean the list can go on and on and on here. There are tons and tons and tons of medications that need a prescription and are not controlled/scheduled.

My Paxil is scheduled, so I don't think anti-depressants are in that mix.

You can be sure all you want, but the facts don't weigh it out that way.

As a general rule, if it has a prescription label on it, it is scheduled.

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2170

It IS complicated, so I don't blame you for getting confused any more than I blame myself for not noticing that there are a small handful of non-scheduled drugs that do require a `script, but the fact remains that IF it has a script, it is almost certainly scheduled.

In the USA:

"Non-Prescription drug" means a drug which may be sold without a prescription (Schedule II, III and Unscheduled according to NAPRA’s National drug Schedules and which is labeled for use by the consumer in accordance with the requirements of the laws and Rules of the provincial and federal governments.

And in Canada:

http://www.napra.org/ndsac/sch_outline.html#unsch

Unscheduled drugs can be sold without professional supervision. Adequate information is available for the patient to make a safe and effective choice and labeling is deemed sufficient to ensure the appropriate use of the drug. These drugs are not included in Schedules I, II or III and may be sold from any retail outlet.

Someone certainly is confused, and it isn't me.

Since when is Paxil or any antidepressant used today scheduled?

Are you confusing something here? I just don't get where you're coming from.

I mean, do we share the same definition for the word "scheduled" or "prescription"?

This is an interesting post. Not all prescriptions are scheduled. Yet, all scheduled drugs, do require a prescription. There are literally tons of drugs on the market that are just RX. This means they require a prescription, but are not in a scheduled class.

JOHN

Trank, are you from Canada? This may explain some of the confusion because the terminology used differs somewhat between Canada and the US regarding medication schedules.

This is copied from the site you listed, which is the Canadian Scheduling system:

Outline of the Schedules


Schedule I drugs require a prescription for sale and are provided to the public by the pharmacist following the diagnosis and professional intervention of a practitioner. The sale is controlled in a regulated environment as defined by provincial pharmacy legislation.

Schedule II drugs, while less strictly regulated, do require professional intervention from the pharmacist at the point of sale and possibly referral to a practitioner. While a prescription is not required, the drugs are available only from the pharmacist and must be retained within an area of the pharmacy where there is no public access and no opportunity for patient self-selection.

Schedule III drugs may present risks to certain populations in self-selection. Although available without a prescription, these drugs are to be sold from the self-selection area of the pharmacy which is operated under the direct supervision of the pharmacist, subject to any local professional discretionary requirements which may increase the degree of control. Such an environment is accessible to the patient and clearly identified as the "professional services area" of the pharmacy. The pharmacist is available, accessible and approachable to assist the patient in making an appropriate self-medication selection.

Unscheduled drugs can be sold without professional supervision. Adequate information is available for the patient to make a safe and effective choice and labeling is deemed sufficient to ensure the appropriate use of the drug. These drugs are not included in Schedules I, II or III and may be sold from any retail outlet.

I'm not from Canada, but I may well be the most confused person on this board anyway.

What I would like to see is the federal and all 50 state guidelines regarding what is and isn't scheduled. Since we know it varies from state to state as well as federal, it is going to be one long confusing ride to determine which of the few drugs are scheduled that require a `script.

I know Paxil is scheduled - and if I had my way, it'd be CII. I'm trying to quit the stuff right now, and this has been he11-week to be sure. 6mg Klonopin isn't even keeping the shaking at bay. I can see why they are trying to ban this stuff in Europe.

The NIDA does say that most Schedule V drugs are available without prescription.

This is kind of interesting, although not entirely on topic:
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bi...3.0352480446141

I think it was more fun to bash the recreational junkie Limbaugh, because sorting through 51 lists of controlled substances just to prove a point isn't in the cards.

Judge Judy is married to Judge Schdlien (I am sure I spelled that one wrong, lol). He had his own tv show a few years ago and seemed really nice but Judge Judy seemed to outshine him. Guess she wears the pants in the family.

i guess the person who last posted in this thread 3.5 years ago needed your input

Now that's funny

Is it getting crazy here lately?

You are right, I never looked at the date this was posted. I think I need new glasses, lol.

EMJ ....We Love you anyway!! ...At Least I do!

In TN. pot is classified as a schedule VI