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#335513 - 04/19/06 03:34 PM Re: Busted for Soma
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i though Soma was schedule IV? maybe even III is some states?

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#335515 - 04/20/06 03:59 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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FAIR did an essay on his hilarious fubars, and one of them was when he said outright "I do not EVER bash ANYONE personally, and I challenge anyone to think of a single time that I have."

Then ten minutes later, he says:

"We all hear about the Clinton's cat Socks, but we don't hear much about their dog, Chelsea."

Bashing a 15 year old girl is beneath reproach, but it is daily fare for Limbaugh. It is the best he can do, since he can't seem to even remember how to pronounce the names of any politicians.

It is that kind of poison that Limbaugh has injected into the veins of REAL Republicans everywhere. He has single-handedly done more damage to the Right than any of Al Franken's excellent books.

If Rush were to die, the Republican Party would be much better off. Democrats are already effectively dead, but the Republicans are now winners ONLY because Democrats have done themselves so much harm. Now Republicans think they've won, while morons like Rush are slowly becoming the Bill Clintons of their party...

Anyway to correct all of the inaccurate information being posted about controlled substances:

Yeah ALL drugs that require a prescription are scheduled. but not all scheduled drugs require a prescription.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

ALL prescription drugs are controlled, and which of the five schedules they are put into depends upon the feds and in some cases, the states.

So if it has a prescription label on the bottle, it is BOTH controlled AND scheduled. Always. No questions. The only difference between them will be which of the schedules it is in.

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As much as I really can't stand Limbaugh ( I used to love him, before anyone really knew him much I caught him on an AM station out of DC and loved him), then when I became a parent and Limbaugh started bashing young Chelsea Clinton and saying nasty things about her, I began to dispise him, low and behold he turned me into quite a moderate and a liberal on some levels.



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#335516 - 04/20/06 08:21 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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Trank, I may have just misunderstood your post as you state the following:

"Yeah ALL drugs that require a prescription are scheduled. but not all scheduled drugs require a prescription.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

ALL prescription drugs are controlled, and which of the five schedules they are put into depends upon the feds and in some cases, the states."

But according to my Nursing drug Book and the DEA website, not ALL drugs are scheduled, only drugs with a potential for abuse. An example of a non-scheduled drug would be antibiotics which do not fall under any of the schedules. You are correct that most drugs are "controlled" in one way or another in that they may require a prescription in order to get them, but only drugs with a potential for abuse falls under the CSA (Controlled Subtances Act).

Here is the DEA's list of schedules:

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html

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#335517 - 04/20/06 08:29 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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Anyway to correct all of the inaccurate information being posted about controlled substances:

Yeah ALL drugs that require a prescription are scheduled. but not all scheduled drugs require a prescription.

So if it has a prescription label on the bottle, it is BOTH controlled AND scheduled. Always. No questions. The only difference between them will be which of the schedules it is in.




Are you serious? "Inaccurate information?" You're dead wrong on this. Hello? Always? No questions?

Again, not all prescription drugs are scheduled. There are hoardes and hoardes of drugs that are not scheduled, and yet still require a prescription.

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#335518 - 04/20/06 08:47 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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http://www.drugtopics.com/drugtopics/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=175855

You are right, my bad. I misunderstood Wiki, but I found a chart on the GAO site that explains that there are a couple drugs that are prescription but not scheduled.

I stand corrected, and I apologize for my mistake.

The URL at the top for example shows the very first and only non-scheduled sleep medication.

So there apparently are some rare and essentially useless drugs that aren't scheduled but are available by prescription, presumably so insurance will cover them (as opposed to OTC which insurance won't typically carry).

Another outstanding read that is related to this site in general is:

http://www.house.gov/commerce_democrats/press/108ltr66.htm

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#335519 - 04/20/06 09:11 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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So - Anti-depressants are rare and essentially useless(I'm sure some will agree); Cholesterol Drugs are useless and rare; I mean the list can go on and on and on here. There are tons and tons and tons of medications that need a prescription and are not controlled/scheduled.

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#335520 - 04/20/06 09:22 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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My Paxil is scheduled, so I don't think anti-depressants are in that mix.

You can be sure all you want, but the facts don't weigh it out that way.

As a general rule, if it has a prescription label on it, it is scheduled.

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2170

It IS complicated, so I don't blame you for getting confused any more than I blame myself for not noticing that there are a small handful of non-scheduled drugs that do require a `script, but the fact remains that IF it has a script, it is almost certainly scheduled.

In the USA:

"Non-Prescription drug" means a drug which may be sold without a prescription (Schedule II, III and Unscheduled according to NAPRA’s National drug Schedules and which is labeled for use by the consumer in accordance with the requirements of the laws and Rules of the provincial and federal governments.

And in Canada:

http://www.napra.org/ndsac/sch_outline.html#unsch

Unscheduled drugs can be sold without professional supervision. Adequate information is available for the patient to make a safe and effective choice and labeling is deemed sufficient to ensure the appropriate use of the drug. These drugs are not included in Schedules I, II or III and may be sold from any retail outlet.


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#335521 - 04/20/06 09:47 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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Someone certainly is confused, and it isn't me.

Since when is Paxil or any antidepressant used today scheduled?

Are you confusing something here? I just don't get where you're coming from.

I mean, do we share the same definition for the word "scheduled" or "prescription"?

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#335522 - 04/20/06 09:56 AM Re: Busted for Soma
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This is an interesting post. Not all prescriptions are scheduled. Yet, all scheduled drugs, do require a prescription. There are literally tons of drugs on the market that are just RX. This means they require a prescription, but are not in a scheduled class.

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#335523 - 04/20/06 12:48 PM Re: Busted for Soma
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Trank, are you from Canada? This may explain some of the confusion because the terminology used differs somewhat between Canada and the US regarding medication schedules.

This is copied from the site you listed, which is the Canadian Scheduling system:

Outline of the Schedules


Schedule I drugs require a prescription for sale and are provided to the public by the pharmacist following the diagnosis and professional intervention of a practitioner. The sale is controlled in a regulated environment as defined by provincial pharmacy legislation.

Schedule II drugs, while less strictly regulated, do require professional intervention from the pharmacist at the point of sale and possibly referral to a practitioner. While a prescription is not required, the drugs are available only from the pharmacist and must be retained within an area of the pharmacy where there is no public access and no opportunity for patient self-selection.

Schedule III drugs may present risks to certain populations in self-selection. Although available without a prescription, these drugs are to be sold from the self-selection area of the pharmacy which is operated under the direct supervision of the pharmacist, subject to any local professional discretionary requirements which may increase the degree of control. Such an environment is accessible to the patient and clearly identified as the "professional services area" of the pharmacy. The pharmacist is available, accessible and approachable to assist the patient in making an appropriate self-medication selection.

Unscheduled drugs can be sold without professional supervision. Adequate information is available for the patient to make a safe and effective choice and labeling is deemed sufficient to ensure the appropriate use of the drug. These drugs are not included in Schedules I, II or III and may be sold from any retail outlet.



Edited by SolarEclipse (04/20/06 12:50 PM)

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#335524 - 04/20/06 02:06 PM Re: Busted for Soma
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I'm not from Canada, but I may well be the most confused person on this board anyway.

What I would like to see is the federal and all 50 state guidelines regarding what is and isn't scheduled. Since we know it varies from state to state as well as federal, it is going to be one long confusing ride to determine which of the few drugs are scheduled that require a `script.

I know Paxil is scheduled - and if I had my way, it'd be CII. I'm trying to quit the stuff right now, and this has been he11-week to be sure. 6mg Klonopin isn't even keeping the shaking at bay. I can see why they are trying to ban this stuff in Europe.

The NIDA does say that most Schedule V drugs are available without prescription.

This is kind of interesting, although not entirely on topic:
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bi...3.0352480446141

I think it was more fun to bash the recreational junkie Limbaugh, because sorting through 51 lists of controlled substances just to prove a point isn't in the cards.

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#335525 - 04/22/06 11:50 PM Re: Busted for Soma
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Quote:

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I am just curious, what day was this Judge Judy episode on?We tape Judy every day, and I do not recall anyone being busted for Soma.




It was on yesterday afternoon like 4:00 pacific time or 4:30. It was a rerun and the babys daddy's mother bailed out both babys momma and daddy and car got impounded and the grandman was suing babbys momma for the bail.. It was a rerun.




I heard a rumor that Jerry Springer and Judge Judy were dating, and that they were coming out with a new talk court show, but Judy Judy insisted the chairs be bolted to the floor so they would not be picked up and thrown at her ala Geraldo Rivera and the KKK broke my nose episode.

I sure feel sorry for the old Judge Wapner. How could such a normal and straight up guy be married to someone like her!

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#916417 - 08/09/09 10:54 PM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: Berkeley1999]
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Judge Judy is married to Judge Schdlien (I am sure I spelled that one wrong, lol). He had his own tv show a few years ago and seemed really nice but Judge Judy seemed to outshine him. Guess she wears the pants in the family. sunblue
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#916669 - 08/10/09 06:28 PM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: EMJ]
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i guess the person who last posted in this thread 3.5 years ago needed your input

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#916723 - 08/10/09 09:41 PM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: snippets]
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Now that's funny rofl5
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#916739 - 08/10/09 10:35 PM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: OldandWorn]
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#916756 - 08/10/09 11:50 PM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: musician7]
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You are right, I never looked at the date this was posted. I think I need new glasses, lol.
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#916834 - 08/11/09 08:09 AM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: EMJ]
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#918190 - 08/14/09 05:02 PM Re: Busted for Soma [Re: JimmyK]
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In TN. pot is classified as a schedule VI




Originally Posted By: JimmyK
As much as I really can't stand Limbaugh ( I used to love him, before anyone really knew him much I caught him on an AM station out of DC and loved him), then when I became a parent and Limbaugh started bashing young Chelsea Clinton and saying nasty things about her, I began to dispise him, low and behold he turned me into quite a moderate and a liberal on some levels.

However, about Limbaugh I will say this, he had (has) a problem with drug addiction. For that I have sympathy for him regardless of how much I can't stand him. One of the few and very rare side effects of very very high doses of some synthetic narcotics is loss of hearing. It happened to him and fortunately for him he is a billionaire and could afford cochlear implants.

Anyway, the point about Soma and drug schedules.

It is illegal to possess any prescription drug without a prescription. At least in most states it is. Now I have been arrested for this when I was a freshman in college, I had a prescription drug in sample bottles without a prescription. The case was dismissed because the medication was given to me by a licensed physician and as long as he charted that he gave me the samples it was called an "Oral Prescription".

Common non controlled prescriptions like celebrex for example are illegal to possess without a prescription, it is like a class 6 misdemeanor in my state.... not much more than a traffic ticket.

Possession of a controlled substance without a prescription is a felony in my state, a class 6 felony though, so not a big one.

Federally controlled drugs under schedule I are totally illegal and "have no medical use or value" according to the DEA and possess a high potential for abuse. Examples are heroin, qualude, LSD, Mescaline etc.

Schedule II controlled substances have a medical use and value but a high abuse potential. One can no longer receive a refill but must have a written prescription. Except certain emergency circumstances one can not call in a schedule II medication into a pharmacy. Examples are Oxycontin, Percocet, Ritalin, Adderall, Cocaine (in manufactured pharmaceutical form), etc.

Schedule III controlled substances have a moderate potential for abuse and generally include narcotics like hydrocodone preparations with apap, barbiturate preparations with apap like fiorinal, fioricet, tylelol #3, Tylenol #4 etc. These can be called in to a pharmacy by your doctor if needed and do not have to be followed by a written prescription (yet??).

Schedule IV controlled substances still have an abuse potential but considered non narcotic mostly and have less abuse potential then a schedule III. Such medications that are schedule IV are the benzodiazapines like valium, xanax, librium, Soma in some states, Davorcet, Talacen, Nubaine (in some states only), phentermine etc. I think Provigil is a schedule IV but don't hold me to that.

Schedule V controlled substances are usually cough preparations with codeine and other drugs like an antihistimine or perhaps a decongestant or expectorant like guifenisen (worthless). Such drugs in this category also include mild narcotics for diarhhea like lomitil, paragoric as well as robitussin with codeine etc.

There is no such thing as a schedule VI, all other prescription medications are considered to be illegal to have without a script, althouth it seems rarely enforced.

Hope this clears things up. As I said earlier some states can under some circumstances schedule a medication if they believe it has an abuse potential in their region. As noted earlier Soma and Nubaine are two medications that are Schedule IV in some states but not federally scheduled by the DEA.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html


PS: I still listen to Rush eventhough I really think he is mean spirited sometimes. While I am by no means a conservative anymore he does makes some good points and has some good information that is not partisan.

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