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#911546 - 07/26/09 02:18 PM
Re: Oxycodone
[Re: Repteur]
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Thanks for the link Nephro! I am going to look into this DLP stuff.
As far as the Medtronic intrathecal pump, I have had a lot of "manufaturer" issues. I think that part of it might be that I had my first one put in 10 years ago and they were still working out the kinks. I also seem to have very bad luck in general, think Murphy's Law. My CP history has been that one thing has led to another. Not only have I had the battery in the pump fail early (they are suppposed to last anywhere from 5 -7 years, this is my third and I haven't had one yet that had lasted more than 4), but when it did fail, the battery alarm system in the pump also failed and did not alert that the battery was tapped out. I have also had trouble with the catheter that delivers the medicine from the pump to the CSF break. The break occurred 6 months after I had the first pump put in and the broken catheter allowed CSF to leak into the soft tissue. I had a collection of CSF the size of a softball on my back before a neurosurgeon was able to fix it. Then the neuro had to perform a laminectomy b/c the fragment had migrated into the dura.
Anyways...that's part of my horror story. But even with all the problems I have had with Medtronics product functioning correctly, the pump itslef has increased my functioning immeasurably. The good attributes outway the problems I've encountered, and keep in mind that "most" people don't have the issues I've had with the pump. If anyone is considering having one implanted, don't let this scare you...my whole life is kind of a tragicomedy of weirdness. Anyone considering a pump looking for info, please feel free to PM me. I'd love to share my experience, it really has been a godsend for me.
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#911874 - 07/27/09 03:20 PM
Re: Oxycodone
[Re: funkybreakz]
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Registered: 07/06/09
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Loc: Midwest USA
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Thanks Nephro and Funkybreakz...you both are such wonderful posters with helpful insight and info! Please know how much your posts are appreciated. I have come to terms with my CP over the years, but I still find this forum helpful and find comfort that there are others out there in similar situations. I wish that there had been a forum like this 15 years ago when I was first trying to find a diagnosis and docs, when I felt so depressed and alone, but I am sssoooo happy that this is here now for others just starting their foray into CP and PM world. I'd also like to help others with some of this knowledge that I have fought so hard to attain (literally sometimes, ya know?)
Funkybreakz, your post made it sound like you felt that the DL-P helped "boost" the effectiveness of the Oxy, so did you taper your Oxy dose as you found that the DL-P was helping? Did you have any WD, or was it a slow taper?
I have also been reading about Oxy not getting broken down in the GI tract, and that doing a colon cleanse or taking something on a daily basis might help the Oxy's absorption, and that might help lower my dose. I have always been a bit stopped up, and taking the opiates for the last 15 years has certainly not helped that situation, but I guess I have come to be used to it as my "normal". Now I am thinking that getting things moving more often might help things. Funkybreakz, I read one of your postings about dousate sodium, has this helped you as far as absorption and getting the most out of your dose?
Please excuse some of my spelling and grammer today (not having the greatest day).
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#911883 - 07/27/09 03:41 PM
Re: Oxycodone
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Thanks Nephro and Funkybreakz...you both are such wonderful posters with helpful insight and info! Please know how much your posts are appreciated. I have come to terms with my CP over the years, but I still find this forum helpful and find comfort that there are others out there in similar situations. I wish that there had been a forum like this 15 years ago when I was first trying to find a diagnosis and docs, when I felt so depressed and alone, but I am sssoooo happy that this is here now for others just starting their foray into CP and PM world. I'd also like to help others with some of this knowledge that I have fought so hard to attain (literally sometimes, ya know?)
Funkybreakz, your post made it sound like you felt that the DL-P helped "boost" the effectiveness of the Oxy, so did you taper your Oxy dose as you found that the DL-P was helping? Did you have any WD, or was it a slow taper?
I have also been reading about Oxy not getting broken down in the GI tract, and that doing a colon cleanse or taking something on a daily basis might help the Oxy's absorption, and that might help lower my dose. I have always been a bit stopped up, and taking the opiates for the last 15 years has certainly not helped that situation, but I guess I have come to be used to it as my "normal". Now I am thinking that getting things moving more often might help things. Funkybreakz, I read one of your postings about dousate sodium, has this helped you as far as absorption and getting the most out of your dose?
Please excuse some of my spelling and grammer today (not having the greatest day). i had planned on a slow taper but was amazed at just how much the DL-P helped. i literally cut my dose in half after my first week of DL-P with no feeling of WD. i was amazed at how much this really helped! i am thankful that i was able to cut it down and still get relief. (instead of asking the doc to up it more) and yes, the docusate sodium will keep your stool soft so it is not like you are giving birth every time you have to use the restroom! (and it is safe to take everyday when it is just pure docusate sodium) my doc first prescribed it to me, but then i found i could buy it OTC so started going that route. the colon cleanse idea is a good one, i just finished one up myself. i can tell you that if i felt constipated, my medication barely felt like it was working. after a good cleanse, (2 weeks) it was night and day regarding the potency and pain relief. also, drink a lot of water and try to walk a bit or get some sort of exercise if you can and that will help keep things moving. just make sure you do not do the colon cleanse too often (maybe 2 times a year) if done to often, you will lose some of the natural bacteria and stuff that should be there.
Edited by funkybreakz (07/27/09 03:51 PM)
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#911914 - 07/27/09 04:53 PM
Re: Oxycodone
[Re: Friday_1]
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Registered: 01/13/09
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There are plenty of long term risks with abusing oxy's. Prison being one of them, and that can most certainly lead to bodily harm. Not to mention destroying your life, losing your family, career... Having no friends left, no one else left to turn too when you hit rock bottom, and then, well, that is the ultimate long term damage. Actively engaged addicts will never want to get better - as the drug is still working. Unfortunately, aside from jail time, your friend isn't gonna get a wake up call until it is too late. Cheers! You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. Prison is the ONLY valid risk of opiate-use you offer. And that's not the drug's fault. It's the fault of narrow minds like yours. I started using opiates to treat clinical depresion when it struck me mid-life, over 8 years ago. It (an opiate) is the ONLY medicine I tried that helped (and I tried them ALL). All of the so-called "anti-depressants" offered to me made me violent and "stupid." They nearly destroyed my life... in less than a year of experimentation (at the hands of several "doctors"). I don't get any kind of "high" or "buzz" from opiates; I just feel normal again - like I did before the depression struck me down. I'm now able to function again and offer something to society. I almost lost my business, friends, and family before finding this wonder drug (not "Oxy's", but an opiate). Unfortunately, doctors can no longer prescribe opiates for depression. WHY NOT? They did for hundreds of years.??? That's BEACUSE the pharnaceutical compnaies can't patent opiates. They can't charge $15 a pill for it! So they fill our congressmen's heads full of nonsense like yours (and their pockets with lots of $$$) to outlaw the prescription of opiates for depression. Opiates haven't destroyed my life, they've saved it. Nor have I lost my family or career. In fact, the depression and/or the "legitimate" prescription drugs that doctors shoved down my throat nearly did that for me. Having no friends left???? I have more friends than ever... and nobody suspects I'm an "addict" (Oooooh....) . I DID hit "rock bottom", yes.. .BEFORE I discovered opiates. Lucky for me, I did my research and I found a "CURE" that helped me climb back out of that hole and get back to leading a productive, happy, and HEALTHY life... WITHOUT any long-term liver or brain damage like the pharmaceutical companies offered me. Please do your research before "spouting off" about issues you have no understanding of. And PLEASE don't run for public office. It's uninformed, narrow-minded, arrogant people like you that have made "criminals" out of people like me... while helping the REAL CRIMINALS -- the murderous pharmaceutical companies -- make billions of dollars a year off "patentable" drugs, and in the process, cause long-term physical and psycholoigcal damage, destroying millions of innocent lives and families each year. You also wrote: "Actively engaged addicts will never want to get better...": I can't speak for all opiate "addicts" but trust me when I tell you this: I AM BETTER. No thanks to people like you. BTW: You forgot one other ignorant myth: That we crave more and more drugs and higher and higher doses (robbing liquor stores to support our habits, of course) until we untimately overdose and die. Before condeming opiate "addicts" why don't you talk to all of the happy, healthy Effexor (Paxil, etc.) users about "addiction" and "hitting bottom." I'ver known a LOT of them. I've watched them suffer and die. Poor bastards. Too bad you can't ask Benjamin Franklin if he regrets treating his depression with morphine. And this was written by someone that has a happy, content life? Addiction is a horrible, deadly disease that kills millions more than the occassional addict that just happens to make some fame for themselves. Opiates are a cure for many ills. Opiates are also the misery of many millions thoughout this great planet of ours. That ignorant myth(As you put it) that addicts crave more and more drugs until they eventually die is very true. I was an active addict for nearly two decades. My life was ruled by getting drugs, using drugs and ways and means to get more. I am one of the few lucky ones to break my habit before it broke me. I lost many friends though the years, woke up with many dead people in the same room and wouldn't put my worst enemy in some of the situations that I went though. Maybe you are lucky enough not to have an addiction problem. Good for you.
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#915963 - 08/08/09 02:24 PM
Re: Oxycodone addiction
[Re: CaptainNodCDN]
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Registered: 02/28/07
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Oxycodone is the worst drug ever to get hooked on, except for street heroin. As an oxycontin addict i realized only later the hellish effects of oxycodone withdrawl. I'm always going to be an addict to this terrible drug. At first when you try it, its fun and a wonderful 'buzz' & you think opiate dependency wont happen to me & ill just have a great time getting stoned with my friends & life goes on. Was i ever wrong... All my friends including me are oxycodone addicts & we all have no way out. When we run out we have to go Downtown Ottawa just to find anyone who can find it for you & you dont know if youre talking to NARC(Police) and you get thrown in prison for an addiction. Or if youre lucky you come across some backward Fu** that takes advantage of you because you look like [censored]] & you have no energy & literally looks like your about to croke. So they steal your money or if youre lucky they actually get it for you but your paying $80-$160 for one 80mg oxycontin. Oxycodone addiction is an epidemic thats killing people everyday. For example recently someone i knew just commit suicide because of his addiction. I sometimes wish Perdue Pharma would just stop its oxycontin production. Its created an epidemic thats killing our children, Family & friends all around the world. I understand theyre people out there that depend on oxycontin for their pain management & they truely need it. Other than that,This drug is Extremely dangerous & i recommend no one to take this drug EVER to get stoned. If youre not in pain, you dont need it! Run, Run far away & dont look back! Rush Limbaugh for example is a victim of this epidemic thats sweeping the western nations like a disease. The government should put tighter regulations on these dangerous drugs. Should, but wont because i guess theyre making too much money to give a flying fu**. I hope many people can have to oppurtunity to read this & put this in consideration that Oxycodone is the 21st century drug epidemic, just after crack cocaine & Heroin. If i can save 1 person from ever trying Oxycontin just for fun, too save them from a living hell (literally) than my job is done. Take Care everybody i wish you all good health & a happy life without oxycodone. Wow, that is a good story and you are absolutely right!! I hope you do well and check out the "severe hydrocodone addiction" thread. There is a lot of good info on there and Oxy is an opiate like Hydro is. And if someone is taking enough of it, can even be like heroin! Thanks for posting your information and I hope people will read it and learn. Take Care and enjoy your weekend!
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#915973 - 08/08/09 02:44 PM
Re: Oxycodone
[Re: CaptainNodCDN]
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Registered: 07/03/09
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Oxycodone is the worst drug ever to get hooked on, except for street heroin. As an oxycontin addict i realized only later the hellish effects of oxycodone withdrawl. I'm always going to be an addict to this terrible drug. At first when you try it, its fun and a wonderful 'buzz' & you think opiate dependency wont happen to me & ill just have a great time getting stoned with my friends & life goes on. Was i ever wrong... All my friends including me are oxycodone addicts & we all have no way out. When we run out we have to go Downtown Ottawa just to find anyone who can find it for you & you dont know if youre talking to NARC(Police) and you get thrown in prison for an addiction. Or if youre lucky you come across some backward Fu** that takes advantage of you because you look like [censored]] & you have no energy & literally looks like your about to croke. So they steal your money or if youre lucky they actually get it for you but your paying $80-$160 for one 80mg oxycontin. Oxycodone addiction is an epidemic thats killing people everyday. For example recently someone i knew just commit suicide because of his addiction. I sometimes wish Perdue Pharma would just stop its oxycontin production. Its created an epidemic thats killing our children, Family & friends all around the world. I understand theyre people out there that depend on oxycontin for their pain management & they truely need it. Other than that,This drug is Extremely dangerous & i recommend no one to take this drug EVER to get stoned. If youre not in pain, you dont need it! Run, Run far away & dont look back! Rush Limbaugh for example is a victim of this epidemic thats sweeping the western nations like a disease. The government should put tighter regulations on these dangerous drugs. Should, but wont because i guess theyre making too much money to give a flying fu**. I hope many people can have to oppurtunity to read this & put this in consideration that Oxycodone is the 21st century drug epidemic, just after crack cocaine & Heroin. If i can save 1 person from ever trying Oxycontin just for fun, too save them from a living hell (literally) than my job is done. Take Care everybody i wish you all good health & a happy life without oxycodone. I'm so sorry for your addiction and what has happened to you. Hopefully you are on the path to recovery or moving towards it. However, this sounds to me like blaming the gun for the crime instead of the person shooting the gun. I feel like a jerkoff writing that because of your plight, but maybe there is something there. Good luck and best wishes to you. We are all a product of our choices ultimately. Geez, that sounds cold, but I've rather see it that way than be a victim.
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#915990 - 08/08/09 03:34 PM
Re: Oxycodone addiction
[Re: CaptainNodCDN]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
Registered: 01/24/04
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Oxycodone is the worst drug ever to get hooked on, except for street heroin. As an oxycontin addict i realized only later the hellish effects of oxycodone withdrawl. I'm always going to be an addict to this terrible drug. At first when you try it, its fun and a wonderful 'buzz' & you think opiate dependency wont happen to me & ill just have a great time getting stoned with my friends & life goes on. Was i ever wrong... All my friends including me are oxycodone addicts & we all have no way out. When we run out we have to go Downtown Ottawa just to find anyone who can find it for you & you dont know if youre talking to NARC(Police) and you get thrown in prison for an addiction. Or if youre lucky you come across some backward Fu** that takes advantage of you because you look like [censored]] & you have no energy & literally looks like your about to croke. So they steal your money or if youre lucky they actually get it for you but your paying $80-$160 for one 80mg oxycontin. Oxycodone addiction is an epidemic thats killing people everyday. For example recently someone i knew just commit suicide because of his addiction. I sometimes wish Perdue Pharma would just stop its oxycontin production. Its created an epidemic thats killing our children, Family & friends all around the world. I understand theyre people out there that depend on oxycontin for their pain management & they truely need it. Other than that,This drug is Extremely dangerous & i recommend no one to take this drug EVER to get stoned. If youre not in pain, you dont need it! Run, Run far away & dont look back! Rush Limbaugh for example is a victim of this epidemic thats sweeping the western nations like a disease. The government should put tighter regulations on these dangerous drugs. Should, but wont because i guess theyre making too much money to give a flying fu**. I hope many people can have to oppurtunity to read this & put this in consideration that Oxycodone is the 21st century drug epidemic, just after crack cocaine & Heroin. If i can save 1 person from ever trying Oxycontin just for fun, too save them from a living hell (literally) than my job is done. Take Care everybody i wish you all good health & a happy life without oxycodone. so let me get this straight... because YOU chose to take a medication that you had no business taking in the first place, "for fun" as you put it - then others that are in excruciating pain and benefit immensely from oxycodone should be cut off from it? it is people like you that have caused this war on doctors... tighter regulations??? please tell me how they could be any tighter. should this medication only be prescribed to people on their death bed? the regulations for getting a SCH II in the USA are hardly lax... try taking methadone for a few months and tell me how the withdrawal from oxycodone compares. there is a thing called tapering in case you haven't heard, that if you would have done properly you would not have suffered the WD that you did. not to mention, if you would have educated yourself on this medication before taking it "for fun" you would have never wound up in the situation you are in. if it wasn't oxycodone, it would have been another drug, because you have admitted that it was "just for fun"... sorry if i sound harsh, but it is people with your mindset that make it hard for people that truly need this medication to get the help they need. i would not wish addiction on anyone, but to take a medication so foolishly, then come back and say it is the devil, it is impossible to stop taking it (which for someone in pain, a simple taper plan with their doctor works just fine) and it is killing our children around the world? puh-lease... how many people die from alcohol and tobacco per year? sorry, rant over. again, i hope you are able to overcome your addiction, but to say that it should be banned, or the company making it should be mandated to stop is just pushing the blame of your foolish decision on to others. i hardly doubt some purdue reps came to your house and forced you to take oxycontin. so take control of your life and do what is necessary to get yourself out of the situation that you got yourself into.
Edited by funkybreakz (08/08/09 03:46 PM)
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#916057 - 08/08/09 06:25 PM
Re: Oxycodone
[Re: CaptainNodCDN]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 06/29/08
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well,
if you;re big enough to admit fault and take responsibility, then you're certainly big enough to beat this. The MAJORITY of addiction is in your state of mind. Its in how you perceive the world around you.
If you can change that,. get past whatever emotional wounds that brought you to this place where you are today, then you have a decent chance of living a life that has less regret and more hope.
some tips on getting past this....
find some purpose and dive into it. keep your mind as busy as possible without over stressing it. Find some way to focus on a goal. start with simple goals, and set a target for yourself to reach.
If possible, gently reduce your daily intake., and see if you can get some help from a dr. There is a patch, (clonidine, I think) that helps greatly with withdrawel symptoms.
Keep telling yourself how much you want to be free. THAT ALONE wil be your greatest asset in this battle. See yourself free of this and able to see and do the things that you have always wanted to do. Have the things that you want and earn.
I am hard on addicts that will not face the truth because I have suffered many rejections in treatment of my many injuries because doctors were scared to death of the meds that were needed, not because of me or my problems. Many folks here have had to suffer and fight to get the least bit of decent care. The addict thats in denial only makes our life worse.
Addicts that CAN face themselves and what they have become, liars, theives, whores and slaves to their addiction have hope and I believe that they ALL can be rehabilitated and become decent people IF the CORRECT emotional issues are addressed. That goes for you too.
Thank you for stepping up.
Now, make a plan, place EVERYTHING else second, and start living again. Lifes too short my friend....it only gets harder if you wait.
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