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#222665 - 09/17/05 11:02 PM Best med to use for W/D ? *****
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Out of the meds listed below...which have worked best for you when coming off hydro's.
Which works best for you for hydro W/D ?
Only one choice allowed


Votes accepted starting: 09/17/05 11:01 PM
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.
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#222666 - 09/17/05 11:17 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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You forgot to add clonidine (catapres). I've read many positive reports of opioid dependent ppl using clonidine to detox. It's not a controlled med either, so it should be easy to get. (it's RX'd for blood pressure, I think, but helps out sig. with w/d for some ppl.
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#222667 - 09/19/05 09:52 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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You forgot to add clonidine (catapres). I've read many positive reports of opioid dependent ppl using clonidine to detox. It's not a controlled med either, so it should be easy to get. (it's RX'd for blood pressure, I think, but helps out sig. with w/d for some ppl.




I'd also add Tramadol...it really helped me, but one has to be careful when using this, because it carries dependcy issues also. I only used for about two weeks during the acute W/D phase, and other than mild stomach upset, I was fine!

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#222668 - 09/19/05 09:53 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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add methadone too....some people do use that one also

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#222669 - 09/19/05 10:07 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Subuxone is the best out of all of them. It is hard to aquire without having to pay out the #$% to get. But it covers all the pain receptors and lasts up to 48 hours. It also has another drug in it which controls you from taking any other opiates while your on it. It has a drug that counter acts the opiate effect on the human body. This drug has worked every time I have taken it. After your done detoxing with subuxone it barely gives you any wd's at all. So when you get totally clean it becomes strictly a mental battle.

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#222670 - 09/20/05 09:27 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Tramadol for SURE! Hands Down...

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#222671 - 09/20/05 09:51 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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truthfully and i hope that i am not misconstrued as being a zealot, a dish of cold turkey served with a raft of "i am finished with this carousel".

chemically assisted methods failed as resolve did not prevail. too easy for this old thing to cross addict to someother chem. that is just as wretched.

sorry if i offend,

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#222672 - 09/20/05 11:49 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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all of the above!!

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#222673 - 09/23/05 06:56 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Looks like Kratom kicks BUTT, "Hands Down"! The good news is, you don't have to have a prescription to get it.
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#222674 - 09/27/05 05:33 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Well it looks like Kratom wins this battle for W/d meds which surprized me cause i have always used temgesic and it has always worked like a charm. I placed an order for some extra strength powered Kratom and should have it tomorrow...will let you all know how it works compared to temgesic. TheMedMan...
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#222675 - 10/14/05 12:01 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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temegisic did nothing for me! I got 10 .2 mg ones from rxambasador and I am not complaining as they were like 36 bucks and shipped out fairly quick but they had no effect.

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#222676 - 10/18/05 09:14 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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I apologize now because I was curious about the opinions/results of this poll and the only way I could view it was to "vote"...even though I have no experience with any of these remedies...therefore the catagory of subutox (spelling) has a one percent error so please ignore that 1%.

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#222677 - 10/19/05 08:09 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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will Soma help with w/d?? I keep trying to tapper off hydro and never end up doing it- now i want to have additional help
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#222678 - 10/21/05 05:05 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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No Soma! You can get just as hooked on the Somas as the Hydros. The combo together is very addicting too. I wouldn't chance it.

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#222679 - 11/01/05 10:04 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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having tried them all, they all work...but for opiate addiction bupe does quite a job (that would be temgesic on the poll), however not alot of people have experience with these little guys so maybe that's why it's so underrated.
It really does kill all wds and cravings...Kratom is really hit or miss with me, it's strange - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't...and Tramadol works also, but my tolerance has gotten very high to it and over 400mg the seizure threshold is lowered. Benzos kill the anxiety part of wd, but not the physical pains.

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#222680 - 11/02/05 08:08 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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The person who said Clonidine has it mixed up with Klonopin which will help alot. It is a med similar to Valium. Ultram is also a good pain management med.

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#222681 - 11/02/05 08:13 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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The person who said Clonidine has it mixed up with Klonopin which will help alot. It is a med similar to Valium. Ultram is also a good pain management med.





While Klonopin may help, Tramegesty was not "mixed up" at all about using Clonidine for withdrawls.

Clonidine is a blood pressure med, but is used widely to help alleviate withdrawls in opiate-dependent persons. Especially in inpatient detox centers, they're used in the form of patches, to help in heroin detox.

No mistake there, it can be very useful. Although for some, it can also be useless.

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#222683 - 11/30/05 05:25 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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suboxone hands down!!! its clinically proven to have the highest turn around rate so far
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#222684 - 11/30/05 06:45 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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what's a turn around rate ??
success rate ?
length of w/d symptoms ?

sorry, just curious
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#222685 - 11/30/05 06:54 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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success rate. though its only been in use i believe for3-4 years i am not positive on that www.suboxone.com should have the info, if not the sasha site will
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#222686 - 11/30/05 07:55 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Thanks rxzanaflex !
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#222687 - 11/30/05 08:27 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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This is a great poll, but the relative ease of obtaining Kratom may actually result in it getting more votes. Some people might not seek Rx therapies as easily as non-Rx. JMO, always look at data with a jaundiced eye!

That being said, I am using Kratom to take a holiday and it has worked quite well. Although the Kratom I tried the 1st time didn't work and this is from another source. I am at 48 hrs now hydro free and have mild aches, relieved with more Kratom, although I did have a restless night last. But that could also be due to other physical conditions.

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#222688 - 11/30/05 05:49 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Taffy,
Good to hear that your off the hydro 4 now...wat to go . TheMedMan
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#222689 - 11/30/05 07:37 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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Hydro is the best med for coming off hydro. I know a guy who went from 10-15 10/325's per day to 0 in less than a month with very little problem. It seems the best way is taper, keeping yourself just a tad in withdrawl all along. The withdrawl is minor and not nearly as bad as expected. My friend was amazed when one day he forgot to take his morning hydro and never missed it until he remembered it in the afternoon.

He has been hydro free for a few weeks now and starting to gain more energy than what he was used to getting from hydro.

Good luck.

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#222690 - 11/30/05 08:29 PM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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That is just great for him. Really. Very cool. I hope he sticks with it. Personally, I have been tapering off my hydro to see how my pain level is without it. I have a back injury and have been on hydro for a year and I just feel like that's a long time and I want to at least manage it a little better.

I tried Kratom for the first time today and it is EXCELLENT for the slight w/d's I was experiencing. I think that's the key. Use a sound remedy when you're not over the top or in agony.
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#222691 - 12/01/05 01:43 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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I did Kratom also for two and a half weeks, very slight wd's, but what do you do about the pain, catch 22, huh.

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#222692 - 12/01/05 02:23 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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I went to a doc this week and stated that I wanted to try something else other than hydro -- was afraid I was getting (got) dependent. You know...the helps for pain but I am worried feeling. I was really honest with her and she is helping me with a taper program. I am down to 6 a day right now (started my own taper program a few weeks back and am down from 10/day).

I am checking in with her every two weeks and she is prescribing me enough to go down one pill a day per week. She also said she knew that it may be hard and we may get stuck and that there is room for that and that we will deal with it as it comes.

I honestly wish that she could be representative of every doc everywhere....what a wonderful person -- she didn't make me feel icky or like a loser or someone who had "no control" she simply stated that this was easily doable to find something else that was non-addictive and that all would be fine and most importantly that she knows me and trusts me. I did share all about supplementing for so long and she was surprised but was happy I was talking to her now. She wants to help me manage my pain but understands that I am uncomfortable taking so much hydro.

I told her about Kratom and I got some.....I am still curious about taking it though. I have read so much on here about it, do you actually put a spoonful in your mouth and then put a spoonful of applesauce in your mouth? My sweet man watched me put it straight into tea one night and then drink it out of the tea (the loaded leaves at the bottom) and he just about hurled watching me do it...I think it lost it's effect that way, too.

Sorry to ramble, so happy that I finally shared my worries and fears with a doc and so touched that she is willing to do whatever I want to/need to do to be OK. What an amazing woman....again, I said a silent prayer that all of you could have such a great doc to consult with -- it's too bad most of them suk.

Peace,
Katie

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#222694 - 12/01/05 02:30 AM Re: Best med to use for W/D ?
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IS that something that is over the counter?

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