Actually, your doctor CAN write for a three month supply to be filled through an insurance mail order pharmacy....he writes the script for the FULL quantity of the 90 day supply i.e. I take oxycontin 80 mgs three times a day...so the script was written Oxycontin 80 mg's - Take 1 tab PO TID Dispense quantity of 270 two-hundred and seventy pills....my mail order pharmacy is filling it as I type.

A lot of time is spent debating the legality of ROPs but do any of us have a sense of what the risks amount to? If ROPs are found to be illegal and the DEA or states wanted to make an example of some CR patients, what would be the typical/likely penalty? Assume they dont try get you for intent to distribute - just possession. Schedule III or IV. Obviously all states are a little different but what's the garden variety penalty? I havent seen any postings on this.

Does it mean as long as records are faxed in, everything is ok and I can't get into trouble. I have not posted in a while, but I have been reading......I really enjoy all said....Also, can pills be purchased from more than 1 place? or is there a limit to one only? Please someone PM me and let me know...Thanks so much

Here's a question... If one receives meds (hydro) via an ROP, and the bottle states "2 refills left", can the refills left be filled by a local pharmacy (i.e. cvs, walgreens, etc..), or transfered to a local pharmacy?? As long as the refill date is 30 days. I have had a hard time finding the right med that does not upset my stomach. Even though generic brands are suppose to be the same, I guess they use different "fillers". The only brand of meds that do not make me sick to my stomach or overly tired I cannot get via ROP (mallinckrodt). However, the local pharmacies seem to carry the brand. So, I am stuck w/taking meds that will help my pain, however, make me sick while doing so. I know there is a med that will not do that, but the ROP's I have tried all seem to carry norco/watson/vintage, which don't sit well with me. I'm trying to find a solution. Any help appreciated! Thanks!

would anyone know if nubain(nalbuphine hydrochloride)is illegal to obtain online. it is not under a controlled substance and if so where in the us?

If proper procedure is followed with obtaining controlled substances, then it is not illegal. However, you should check the laws of your state where you reside and research what the statutes stipulate.

Some states, like Kentucky, make telemedicine illegal, unless certain procedure is followed.

-Roger

OK this is going to be a very quick and dumb question about the whole "personal suppy" issue which appears to be defined by orders for a 90 day or less supply of meds.

So to clear things up does this mean WITH a script, we are not allowed to order more than 90 days worth of meds from an IOP? OR, does that mean if we want more than a 90 day supply thats when we need a script only if its for more than for a personal supply? I'm speaking in regards to meds like valium or codeine.

The thing that confused me is if you HAVE A SCRIPT what the hell is the point of saying you can only import a 90 day supply with a REAL 100% legal script? Thats why (as stupid as it may be) Im thinking it is legal to order w/out a script meds from IOPS AS LONG as your not ordering more than 3 month supplies at a time.

Common sense is telling me you need a script for anything despite whether its for personal use or for a year supply. I just dont undertand why if youve seen a doc and have a script that your limited to importing for more than "persal use". I mean if you have the paperwork, whats the deal with the 90 day limit? It makes no sense to me, unless its that you only need a script for orders surpassing the 90 day period.

Another question I have. This is the age of technology, lets face it. When I go to see my shrink he NEVER touches me. We communicate in that law approved setting with our words, and his ability to see me right in front of him.

But in all seriousnes, we should start something where a doctor and patient use a webcam to hold thier appointments. Instead of being 2ft away from each other you communicate on a webcam which will accomplish 100% of exactly what happens when you meet a doc in real life.

(this may me a dumb idea) But we should petition for this to pass as an approved way that docs can script legal presriptions but at the same time can be done completely online. I mean what essential factors are being left out in this situation? NONE that I can think of.
He sees you on the webcam, you can talk to him on the phone and its the same thing as an inperson meeting. So instead of filling out illegal forms and people scripting meds through simple questionairres, why not have like a 10 minute webcam/audio telecast instead of questionairres? and docs can save and document them for records.

How can any possibly argue that this isnt a real doc/patient relationship. Because I hate to be bold, but when I got to see my shrink I sit down in chair, we exhange words for 10 brief mins and he legally scripts a med.
Of course this would require pateints get webcams but they are cheap and how can the law dispute that all the criteria are being met? Your seeing each other face to face (just cant touch each other which never happens anyway when I see my shrink. So I think IOP should develop a method like this, than no more wasting gas, more more wasting time. You just set an appointment online, turn your cams on, discuss your problem for 10 mins and BAM he writes you a script. Kind of like a simulated appointment that still meets all the requirements of the law.
Its just a random stupid idea I had. But it would be really cool if this became the new way to see your doctor. Make an online appointment, turn the cams on, get your script faxed to you from the doc, and your good to go.. or maybe Im just dreaming again. Just seemed like a good idea when I first thought of it, unless its happening already I have been completely blind to the fact.

The only problem with your webcam idea is that the doc needs to perform a physical (blood pressure, temp, weight, blood tests, etc.)

This could be accomlished remotely but may be cost prohibative. Some firms send a doc or Pa to your house to get the physical. Trust me, they have thought of this before.

Peace

ED

Actually Madison Pain is doing somthing similar.

Do your medical records have to show that you were prescribed the exact thing you are requesting?
The answer is sort of YES. But the doc can prescribe something similar. This is what happened with me. The records showed T4, 60mg codeine. I asked for it, but they gave me hydrocodone 7.5 mg. Similar in strength but different medicine.
You DO need to be sure your records show some Rx for the meds or something very similar. Also helps if records show "history of chronic pain" and the reason for the pain (injury, etc.)

ROP, NROP,s IOP's are all illegal. Anybody heard of someone beating the case lately. You cannot get scheduled meds without seeing the doctor. You cannot buy scheduled meds direcly from the Pharmacy. Nor can you order meds which may be legal somewhere and have them sent here. I've heard all the stories about going to TJ and getting a script from the doctor for 50.00 and bringing back 90 hydros. I've also got a friend at Levenworth Honor Camp for the next thirty six month. You'll be in jail so fast it will make your head spin. You take your chances that's the good and the bad. Ask any attorney if there is a loop hole they will tell you no loop hole they could arrest you any minute for doing business with a ROP. But bottom line most ROP's got stuff that will bring a higher bid price. But all they want is the first hundred clients to turn on the doctor, the Pharms and the Admins they will get a pass. IOP's is a balloon that has got to break some day soon. There is just too much chatter and the air of everything is legal. Prepare for it the day isn't long off. Find a attorney and bondsman you can keep on retainer. That is the smart thing to do. If you think I'm kidding ask an attorney I've been doing alot of that lately and it sucXX. Think about this no illegal search and seizure, not probable cause, could be wire fraud because you used the phone to commit a crime. It ain't pretty and if you think it's legal your wrong. You seen all those pretty blue coats outside YOD. They were supposed to be rock solid all I got to show from YOD is the Feds now have a great copy of my records and HIPPA doesn't cover it if you were using your records to commit a crime. Don't be naive you get busted you have no rights. Oh I almost forgot your looking at three to five state unless it's Texas. Possible probation if you snitch. The Feds won't waste there time on you, just the Doc, Pharm, and Admins,

i didnt understand your last sentence...your looking at 3-5 states? feds wonts waste time on you if you snitch?? u mean they wnt to bust the doc and pharmacys? can u explain it all?? thanks

And.....what do you mean by "unless it's Texas"?
Thanks

After reading this thread from beginning, I am now wondering. The way I am reading this, if anyone fills a controlled script at any pharmacy and the state we live in has a pmp, The fill is reported to the dea and then is sent to the pmp of that state. Or does every pharmacy report to the state the recipient lives in.

Hi pixy, I understand you've been getting advice from lawyers and they are telling you this is illegal but my question is how you can explain why all these ROP's are still in business? They have addresses, phone numbers, etc. and their websites clearly state what they offer and for how much. If this is so highly illegal then why do you think the DEA would allow them to continue their business? The purpose of sending in records are because you HAVE seen a doctor and you are getting meds that that doctor recommended for you, just from a different source. I can see some cases where it could be illegal, IOP's especially. But you included ROP's and I take offense to that because I work hard to provide my ROP with the necessary documentation so that we both stay in the boundaries of the law while trying to obtain the necessary meds for my nedical condition.

Lorik - I agree with you on that. Don't want to be ugly to pixy but the thing is, I work hard to do the same I think a lot of people on this board do too. I know some are addicts and may not really need the meds but come on, for the most part, most of us on this board are really in need of the relief. There are bad apples in every group but the good outweighs the bad.

As for it being totally illegal, It isnt totally illegal, or Lorik is right they would be gone, gone gone. My oppinion is, the ones that have been shut down are the ones who where doing massive consults with an online questionaire for sign up. I read that if the physician is doing any type of business online such as having a website even, that this puts them in an online medicine category, and doesnt look good. I think the ones who are providing face to face visits are doing the right thing and I think all the true pain patients will be okay once they see the doc face to face and are examined. The ones who really do not need it may have a problem because I dont think any of these places are going to give meds to someone who doesnt clearly have chronic pain.

Sorry this is so long.

Did anyone have an answer to what the previous post meant by "unless its texas"?

false info would just give the dea a reason to knock on your door......

How is this ambiguous?

Your information is sold to other OCS companies so they can spam email (or call) you offers for thier services. They may also have your questionare you filled out when you signed up with medical information. If the OCS is raided by the DEA they have your information and will review it.
It's the dirty little secret about the OCS businesses.

In 3 years... i only had one hold up @ JFK... and i ordered many many times. The shipper just re-shipped, and i got it in 10 days.
I think people make to big a deal of this.

The chances of getting your pack opened 2 times in a row... are , well....

Hey, all,

I have been ordering hydrocodone from the net for about three years now.

I have just started methadone maintanence therapy for my addiction to hydrocodone and all I can say is good riddance to all these compaines that screw us over and take advantage of our pain and situations.

Is it illegal to order over the net? Well, it might be legal according to the letter of the law, but it sure does not seem ethical to me. Now, I'm not getting down on anyone who orders over the net, as I sure have done my share of it over the last three years. But, c'mon, I know and everyone else who uses these servies must know they really don't give a rat's butt about us. If they did, why would they be charging this exhorinant prices? And, then treating us bad if the system breaks down and they can't get the meds to us.

If is was ethical, why all the problems that keep going on? In my opinion, these companies are keeping one step ahead of the law by finding loopholes to keep on going.

Has anyone ever checked on some of these docs who are doing the online consulations? I have recently. No upstanding doctor is going to risk his or her license by precribing shecdule III and IV drugs to a person they have never seen. One can easily check out these docs histories at the DEA website. It made me sick to realize that the people I was entrusting my life to were doctors who had been suspended by hospitals and lost privalages for unethical practices. Oh, and then the few who had child molestation charges against them. And I have been putting money in their pockets! Think about it!!! Do you really think these companies and these doctors care???? No, they just feed on our pain and addictions and laugh all the way to the bank!

I am so thankful that I chose to address my issues and seek help somewhere else because it is obvious that the whole precarious internet pharmacy situation is about to come down. Some of you might get mad at me for speaking my mind. But I was a fool like everyone else and spent a ton of mony through these sites for several years. Ive very familiar with the anxiety of wondering when the doctor was going to call, if my refill was going to go through, if the company was even still around for that refill.

Oh, and why compain about "doctors not treating pain". The DEA has made it hard for most doctors to adequately treat pain; don't blame the doctors.

Wake up everybody! Quit letting these online consulation companies and online pharmacies rule your life and take your money.

Mikeydog,

Interesting comments. I had always assumed the online docs were not head of their class at Harvard, but I had no idea many were that close to the bottom of the barrel.

You gave me something to think about.

Good luck to you with your methadone treatment.

Sam

Let's all answer this questions ourselves!

If you go into a brick and mortar doctors office seeing medical care do you question yourself "is this legal or not?". The very fact that we wonder and have always wondered if this is illegal or not is because we know deep down inside that that purchasing controlled meds over the internet is wrong! So what if the companies are in business, have adresses, web sites, etc. How many companines have been busted over the years? They are willing to take the risk because there is such big money in it for them. Think about all the internet pharmacies and online consultation companies that have been shut down. They are being shut down becuase they are engaged in illegal activity! Do you have any ideas how much money these companies are making off of us????

Belive me, I'm not bashing anyone on this board. I let myself be used by these companies for a long time because I was desperate for pain control, which then turned into an addiction. It got to the point where I was spending over $300 for a consult and 60 vicoprofen. 60! It would cost half of that at a regular doctors. The mere fact that these companies take advantage of our desperation alone should be illegal and tells us exactly what kind of people we are dealing with.

Mikey, You are welcome to speak your mind of course. I am assuming that you are an adult, and as an adult you must know that YOU are responsible for your own actions. The OCS didn't twist your arm to use their service, or pay their prices...YOU DID IT OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL! I personally want to be the one responsible for my medical care, NOT the Nanny Government. If I feel that I have a problem then I'll seek treatment as you apparently have.

"Think about it!!! Do you really think these companies and these doctors care???? No, they just feed on our pain and addictions and laugh all the way to the bank!"

I have a question for you then: do you really think that the HMOS that so many of us get our medical care from "care" about us either? Medical Care in this country is run as a capitalist enterprise my friend, and "caring" doesn't have a thing to do with it; the bottom line, whether an ROP, or an HMO is the almighty dollar. The only person that should be "caring" about what medical treatment I get is me, IMHO.

Obiviously I am taking responsiblity for my own actions, or I would not have chosen to do something about it. I don't lay blame on others for what I have chosen to do. I just finally woke up to the insanity of what I have chosen to do for the last three years. Obviously I also struck a deep chord with tigersmom who would making such as immature statement as "the OCS didn't twist my arm to use there services". Tigersmom, deep down you must know what we are doing and what these companies are doing is wrong. If you want to let the OCS continue to take advantage of you, that is your choice. As usual when one speaks their mind on drugbuyers.com and makes an opinion that is not shared by the majority, there will always be those posting that immediately take offense and get their feelings hurt.

I also always assumed these were Dr.s who either were out of the country or couldn't get a practice going.
I do have one very good experience with one and I will never forget it.
I've been through thousands of tests for chest and back pain with numbness. Seen tons of specialists. Been scared out of my mind hearing my Dr. say over and over, year after year, this could be MS with no proof from any test than one online Dr. hit it right on the head.
During my consult with the Dr. he said he strongly believed this was something called intercostal neuralgia.
I looked it up right away and he's right!! Every symptom fits and knowing what you have helps relieve some of the stress of chronic pain. I will thank him always! Some Dr.s no matter what there situations is are good at diagnosing or not.
I am going to look up this Dr. and all others though since that's just good idea, thanks. :0)
Can someone please PM me and tell me where spell check is? I can't find it.
Thanks.

Mikey who is the sensitive one, me or you...lol! You know what I feel "deep down" Mikey? I feel that I need to make my own decision on what is good or not good for me; so yes, I will continue to let my ROP "take advantage" of me until I don't need to or want to use their service, and should I stop using them, or need to go into rehab because I LOST CONTROL, I certainly won't come on a website called "DRUGBUYERS" to whine about how the evil OCS and their Doctor's don't care about me. Boo Hoo Mikey, that sound that you hear is the world's smallest violin.