Please use this thread to discuss Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)

Thanks,
Melody

Dilaudid is an effective pain med, a stronger opiate than Oxycodone and hydro.

It's usually more effective IV than when given orally.

Lots of people complain they feel oral dilaudid's a waste, or useless, however, they will often confuse the lack of the high with unsuccessful pain treatment.
next year Palladone will hit the market, and it will release dilaudid over 24 hours. It comes in 12, 16, 24, 32 mg capsules.

I am sure it will feel more effective to patients, as the majority of the drug will be releasing into the intestinal tract rather than in the stomach. Should be a good drug - let's hope it doesn't become the center of a media circus.

- G

Does it make you sicker than oxycodone or is the nausea pretty much the same? Its rated as one of the strongest pain meds out there, hydromorphone and has been the source of many an accidental overdose. Any more experiences would be appreciated.

Zip66

http://www.drugs.com/MTM/hydromorphone.html

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Hydromorphone "Dilaudid"
Hydromorphone is widely known by the brand name Dilaudid. Dilaudid is one of the most powerful narcotics known to man. Dilaudid is probably the most powerful pharmaceutical narcotic in existence. Dilaudid is the pharmaceutical drug that is very similar to heroin in terms of the way it affects the body. These are the reasons it is often called "drug store heroin" on the streets. In some ways Dilaudid is preferable to heroin. This is true because with Dilaudid there are no harmful cutting agents. Heroin can contain cutting agents unknown to the user. Additionally, unlike heroin, with Dilaudid the exact dosage amount is known.
Although Dilaudid is very popular, Department of Health and Environmental Control (DHEC) and drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) tightly monitor it. These controls cause the street price of Dilaudid to be extremely expensive relative to other narcotics. Dilaudid is most often seen on the streets in tablet form. The average street price of Dilaudid (known as K-4s because of the "K" on one side of the tablet and a "4" on the other) is between $40.00 to $60.00 each.

Dilaudid is often obtained in small quantities by theft from a relative for whom the medication was legally prescribed. In larger quantities, drug store break-ins and organized crime are the likely source.

I use both Fentanyl 75 and Dilaudid 4 for pain. Obviously Fentanyl is the most potent and effective pain med Ive found. I just started on the Dilaudid, after 2 years of Lortab 10's for my break thru pain, Dr reccomended these instead. Funny thing is the Lortab seemed more effective. Im wondering why that is.....Hmmmmm

Where could one order these pills ?

Well after 2 days of dilaudid I can see why Dr prescribed it is the 1st time in a very long time that I feel almost pain free.....and not really any side effects.....So far so good. : )

I understand your feelings completly my father in-law died of a stroke last year and he was in so much pain we could not roll him over to change his diper. They prescribed 5mg of hydro and refused to return my calls when i said it was not working. They sent four different physical therapists out who all said he was in sever pain but they did nothing. When i left a message that i had tripled his pain meds they seem to find the time and resorces to have me investaged through social services but they just could not find the time to help poor Dick.It was absoultly discusting and terifiying to watch this happen for he was totaly dependant on me for help. I have aways taken some comfort in the thought that i could end my own life or go down town and talk to Dr. feelgood on the street corner if things got to bad for me, but if you have a stroke you loose these options and you are at the merice of our wonderful medical system. Very, very scary. Good luck your grandmother
Eric

I wish it was easier to get this on the internet.

Yeah, don't we all. Can you believe that just 100 years ago, you could walk into a pharmacy and get Morphine, Laudnum and the like over the counter, and heres the kicker the Druggist would actually "suggest" the drug over many other remedies of that time!
What has happened to our sad country, we are so busy trying to maintain an image, that we now look at medication as a taboo thing, and it doesn't stop there. Well hopefully one day America will pull it head out of its arse!

In my dreams.

I happened on some d4's and tried 1 I didn't feel anything, but after reading some of these post it looks like I didn't give them long enough. Alot a people including myself measure pain killers by the high we get at first. The truth is I need pain relief not a buzz. That you can get anywhere. I have severe fibromyalgia and have trouble finding pain relief, Hydro don't last and just take the edge off, percs work but just don't last long enough. does anyone know the dosage and half life of dillies? And GUMSTER, I totally relate my mother going through the same thing, she's in a wheelchair with ostoarthritis and Is in son much pain she can't get out of the bed on her own she was taking darvocet n 100's and the dr retired, and being on medicad she had to take the dr they assign you. The dr preceeded tak all off her meds away cold turkey after 10 years, and refused to give her anything for pain. There's something wrong with this world, we wouldn't treat animals that way. I truly feel for your grandmother, have you considered taking her to the emergency room? They are more sympathetic to older people with pain. Just an idea.

I wanted to know how I can get dilaudid for severe pain in my back . My doctor will not prescribe this med for me.

Thanks,

Kit Kat

I need to knoe if I can get dilaudid without a prescription, my doctor will not prescribe this med for my severe back pain

Try another doctor who understands you condition. You wont find it on the net.

nunez,

if you're looking for a way to get sch II drugs from this site, you've come to the wrong place.

it almost looks to me like you're le or some media related person looking for a hot story trying to seduce some poor unsuspecting member to divulge their "secret" oxycontin" source to you. i'm not saying that you are, so please correct me if i'm wrong!

i also noticed on your profile that you listed "KIDS" as your hobby, and yet you are still trying to obtain such sch II drugs as per your "comments" as oxycontin, percocets, tylox and etc. including some other more popular, yet less restricted drugs. i don't know, that just sparked up "red flags" for me.

please do a little research here. sch II drugs are NOT to be found here. the ops that list them are pretty much all RIP-OFFS or are run by crooks and discredited by the good folks here at db.

btw, you didn't say what your doctor WILL prescribe for you for your severe back pain. if you have been seen by a doctor recently, then try to check out some of the rops (records online pharmacies) by clicking on the us link on the top of the db toolbar. send in a copy of your pertinent records and they might be able to rx you something that you need. you will have NO PROBLEMS with the PROPER RECORDS.

A

Pound for pound you're correct, daddyj, in that Fetanyl is stronger than dilaudid. However, there's a difference in that dilaudid is derived from the poppy whereas Fentanyl isn't (or so I'm led to believe).

Additionally however, in terms of emergency pain relief, dilaudid is right there at the top of the pile, given that fentanyl isn't prescibed for immediate pain relief. And what's more, I think I'd challenge that oxymorphone is even available anymore. Historically there used to be a drug using it called, numorphan (sp?) but I'm not sure it's marketed any more. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

But for the poster that's looking for this stuff, you won't find it here, nor through any reputable website on the net, as these are serious and dangerous pain relievers - for those people that are at the top of the pain spectrum.

Fred_S

I have constant trouble with my Ortho Dr. When I first saw him following my car accident, he was cheery and up front about my situation-- requiring long-term use of pain meds to make my day tolerable. Until I can have a $3,000 procedure that insurance will NOT pay for ("experimental"!), he said I am just going to have to take pills. OK. I was started on Lorcet, then Plus. They didn't work much at all, but I have always had that problem. Nothing works well on me due to my metabolism. (Legal!) Drugs, alcohol and etc just zip through my body without much effect. I took what he gave me for a while, but finally went in there w/ my wife and she explained the problems to him. He had no problem with it, and when my wife told him Dilaudid was the only thing that worked for me during several hospitilizations one year, he had no problem prescribing it. It's better than the other meds, but still not great. BUT-- I don't want anything stronger and told him that. I hate taking any pills. Period. My problem now is that every time I go in for follow-ups, he looks at my chart and seems stunned by what I am taking-- as if he does not remember anything about that warm and fuzzy meeting that my wife attended. "Why are you taking this?" and etc. His staff treats me like some crazed addict and fail to give him notes I drop by his office when he's too busy to call me himself. It's a small town, so I don't have many options. I saw him last week, and he wanted to know when I'm having the procedure. When I reminded him that insurance isn't paying for it, and I don't have the $3,000 he laughed, nodded and said "Oh yeah.. that's right. OK". Then, he writes out the 'scripts and off I go-- $85 poorer for nothing. I am tired of repeating myself everytime, and it's obvious he does not write the stuff down. I just don't have anyone else in my area to see. I'm a professional with a high security Gov job. I go to his office surrounded by trashy people in ripped up clothes and flip flops. Yet I am the one that gets treated like a abuser and have to keep reminding him of things. I wondered if anyone has had a similar experience, and/or what I can try to get him to listen, more. I'm taking my wife in again with me for the next appmnt. When I saw him in April, and I went through my usual routine of reminding him that pills don't work as well on me, he OK's taking 2 (4mg) pills every two hours. When I mentioned it last week, he said he'd never have said that! So, I'm taking the wife in so she can be a witness. I'm tired of the whole routine. I just want to get "fixed", or at least have him get his act together about my history. I'm getting like a broken record in there.

meddows I have the same prob when i go to my Dr every month he acts like it is his first time seeing me !! I feel for u but as far as a soultion goes i would just tape record your vist and play it for him on each vist LOL i know its not funny but at least if u can laugh about it it makes it a tiny tiny bit more tolerable Hope u can get things worked out

I wish it was easier to get this on the internet.

Well maybe it is and you're not aware of it. As noted somewhere above, hydrocodone is largely metabolized into hydromorphone (dilaudid) once inside the body.

If dilaudid doesn't cut it for you, try looking up Palladone - same stuff but time-released and a lot more of it. Best wishes . . .

You will be dope sick messing with that stuff. Try to get off my advice check yourself into methodone clinic.

He gave me a time-released pill-- Avenza. It seemed OK in combination with the Dilaudid, but I stopped taking it recently after experimenting and found out that the help it provided was minor-- and not worth taking another pill. So, I have dropped it and won't fill the new 'scripts for it. Like I said in the prev post, I hate pills. I guess I am in an otherwise enviable position to many, as he has NO problem writing out LARGE amounts of Dilaudid at a time. The last one was for almost 450 pills! The Pharmacist about choked when he saw it. I hadn't paid attention to the number until they told me they'd have to see if they had that many. That was PROOF that he increased the dosage and frequency, which he claims he didn't. That number was a reflection of him "upping" it. I have a brand new script for the same large number, but am not near finished with the last one. 450 is WAY too much for a month, so I have NO idea where he came up with that number, but it's no wonder he (maybe??) thinks I'm a druggie. It's not worth the sleep I am losing, but the pain is too sharp to go without it. My whole left leg burns from my thigh to my ankle. I just wish I could have the procedure (Prolotherapy) and be done with it all. It's been done for decades, yet the insurance companies consider it experimental. I guess they'd rather pay for $$$ meds for years than 6 sessions of the therapy??!!

have you ever thought about having a neurosurgeon install a morphine pump. It when the morphine is hookup directly to your pain area through a surgical procedured. Then the dr can just refill the pump with morphine. The theory behind this is a follows. Instead of the morphine going through your whole body it will be isolated to the part which the pain is located in.

I had a morphine pump. First the doc put a morphine solution in it and kept upping the concentration, which didn't work then he used Fentanyl instead. it still didn't work also sometimes they clog i had it removed. Now y doc wants me to consider having a spinal cord stimulator put it. I might as well have another spinal surgery but unfortunatly that won't get rid of my problem since multiple disk replacement surgery is not FDA approved even for experimental trials. I don't know why, doctor's in asia were doing this surgery years ago. it taks way too long for anything to get approved here!

Believe me if your problems were as bad as you say they are any good pain Management clinic would give you a controlled 2 of some kind. I have tried all the 2's out there including the oc 's all the MS contins, and believe it, of not for my pain Dr., chronic & irretractable pain I have found that 40mg methadone tabs ,100mgs. a day is the best pain killer i have ever found after trying patches, and all that stuff. I never had a pump though, but I can say for a year & 1/2 now I am finally almost painfree. My Level is a 3 now as where it always ran about a 5 .I have found Methadone to be very accomadating & some days & have gone without it because it last a long time. But we are all different. I hope you can find a commpassinate pain doctor, If your in that kind of pain check into your local ER & find out whats causing all that pain.Dilaudad never did it for me either! Good Luck