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#129195 - 10/03/05 03:20 AM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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#129203 - 02/07/06 02:39 PM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride) and not the companies offering it.
Thank you for your support.
Edited by Melody (04/18/06 01:55 PM)
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#129204 - 02/07/06 03:18 PM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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I had a script for dilaudid after I got out of hospital for donating my kidney. I hated it, it did nothing . I asked the surgeon to just give me vicodin which he did and that worked better. I guess it just depends on the person???
I was on 4 milligram Hydromorphone, and I found that they worked great when I took with an extra strength Tylenol. I agree that they were no where as strong as you would think, but with the APAP boost they worked really well.
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#129212 - 04/18/06 01:37 PM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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I did go (several times) to a Pain Management specialist an hour from my home. He tried in-patient procedures (injections), and prescribed meds as well. However, he would NOT give me anything stronger than Ultracet (I think), which did not work in any way. I did BURN my stomach pretty good, though! I gave back the unused bottle to him, and he said that's all he would do. The CORRECTIVE procedure for my injury is a $3000 series of injections that insurance will not pay for. That same Dr WILL do that-- if I can come up with that money. So, I have only been going to my local Ortho, who I see every 60-90 days. Every time, I ask what else can be done (sick of pills), but that one procedure is all there is. He does not do it, and did not know anyone other than the Dr he sent me to. As far as long-acting meds, my Ortho did try a couple on me, which did not work, so I stopped taking them. The only effect I got from them was constipation-- for many days!
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#129213 - 04/18/06 01:52 PM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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Registered: 04/06/06
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I was recently given 20 #2 Hydromorphone in the ER for anal-fissure. I did not even ask for any pain meds, but I was very nice to everyone, and this niceness, plus me not asking (plus the fact I was in HUGE PAIN), plus the fact that the morphine and fentanyl they gave me did NOTHING for me, all probably factored into why I was given a script for Dilaudid. I hear ER's are giving lots of Dilaudid lately. OxyContin and Vicodin are the new notorious, so things revolving back to Dilaudid. Accourding to urban lure and DrugStore Cowboy, Dilaudid mainlines produces a rush like heroin, but even better. But according to several publications, Hydromorphone produces far less euphoria than morphine. Supposedly, hydrocodone produces the most euphoria of any opiate. Many say fentanyl produces the most euphoria, but in all actuality, it produces almost no euphoria in anyone.
Hydrocodone is very "stoning". Dilaudid is very clean and subtle - the connoisseurs opiate buzz. Truthfully, and I know I am about to make you all laugh, I find Tramadol used correctly is most like H. Tramadol makes my legs gush, and arms as well (if I take enough). Feel like every pore is slowly gushing very slowely, very relaxed. Similar to the whole body orgasm but less intense and longer sustain. The best Tramadol experiences are had at night when you won't sleep, but will be in a sort of twilight sleep. Yet, remarkebly, you will be refreshed and energized the following day. If you can acheive the twilight state on Tramadol at night, you have reached nirvana. But Tramadol is more addictive than almost any other opiate out there. Only ONE BIG DOSE causes withdrawal in 36 hours, necessitating 50 mg 36 hours after your big dose, and 25 mg after your 36 hour (50 mg) dose. Then you are free. I still have 17 of my 20 Dilaudid which I will save for a real emergency, as nothing kills the pain and puts you at ease like Dilaudid NOTHING. Hard as it may be to believe, the Tramadol puts me in the opiate zone more than Dilaudid.
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#129218 - 04/23/06 01:04 PM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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Registered: 12/01/05
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Just a couple of things, just because something is more potent, eg Fentenyl is more potenent mg for mg than morphine, has nothing to do with its efficacy or bioavailability. And once again, everyone is different in how a medication works for them. For anyone to say that Dilaudid is evil and to stay away from it is making a very broad and judgemental statement imho. Hydromorphone is an excellent pain killer. It has been around since the late 1970s or earlier and has not been often used in the US. Now someone stated that is was worse than heroine. Frankly heroine is only bad because it does not maintain much of a long peak in the bloodstream. On a bell curve its blood levels look like a very steep mountain with a very steep top that immediately begins its downward thrust. I think that hydromorphone has a much more acceptable bioavailability in the blood stream and thus it blood level stays a bit more constant for a longer period than heroine. Finally a company has made hydromorphone in a timed release fashion like OxyContin and MS Contin and it is called Palladone. I have not heard of ANYONE with experience with this drug. Not sure why, but it sounds to me like it would be a pretty darn good pain killer for someone in really bad pain like post op surgery, kidney stones, severe bone pain, cancer etc. Anyway, it works for many and I don't think it should be Villified. Pain patients and recreational users are different, scientific study after study has shown that for whatever reason, someone in severe pain rarely feels the strong euphoria that a recreational user feels. Yes I do feel a bit of a buzz when I take a pain pill, but nothing to write home about and certainly less than drinking two cans of budweiser. Just my humble opinion, however villifying effective pain medications for people who are in pain is how we got in this nasty fix we are in anyway. I am not going to judge a recreational user, except to say that if you are a recreational user and you get your drugs through pretense of being a chronic pain patient you are hurting all of us. That I do resent. I don't wish to judge anyone for that they do with their own body as long as they are not hurting others. But that is they key, if you are going to hurt us by pretending to be a chronic pain patient and you make us and our doctors look bad, it hurts all of us. Thanks for reading my thread killing rant, as usual.
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#129221 - 04/23/06 08:08 PM
Re: Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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Registered: 08/12/05
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Just a couple of things, just because something is more potent, eg Fentenyl is more potenent mg for mg than morphine, has nothing to do with its efficacy or bioavailability. And once again, everyone is different in how a medication works for them.
For anyone to say that Dilaudid is evil and to stay away from it is making a very broad and judgemental statement imho. Hydromorphone is an excellent pain killer. It has been around since the late 1970s or earlier and has not been often used in the US.
Now someone stated that is was worse than heroine. Frankly heroine is only bad because it does not maintain much of a long peak in the bloodstream. On a bell curve its blood levels look like a very steep mountain with a very steep top that immediately begins its downward thrust.
I think that hydromorphone has a much more acceptable bioavailability in the blood stream and thus it blood level stays a bit more constant for a longer period than heroine.
Finally a company has made hydromorphone in a timed release fashion like OxyContin and MS Contin and it is called Palladone. I have not heard of ANYONE with experience with this drug. Not sure why, but it sounds to me like it would be a pretty darn good pain killer for someone in really bad pain like post op surgery, kidney stones, severe bone pain, cancer etc.
Anyway, it works for many and I don't think it should be Villified. Pain patients and recreational users are different, scientific study after study has shown that for whatever reason, someone in severe pain rarely feels the strong euphoria that a recreational user feels. Yes I do feel a bit of a buzz when I take a pain pill, but nothing to write home about and certainly less than drinking two cans of budweiser.
Just my humble opinion, however villifying effective pain medications for people who are in pain is how we got in this nasty fix we are in anyway.
I am not going to judge a recreational user, except to say that if you are a recreational user and you get your drugs through pretense of being a chronic pain patient you are hurting all of us. That I do resent. I don't wish to judge anyone for that they do with their own body as long as they are not hurting others. But that is they key, if you are going to hurt us by pretending to be a chronic pain patient and you make us and our doctors look bad, it hurts all of us.
Thanks for reading my thread killing rant, as usual.
Palladone was yanked off the market soon after it was released.
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I consider oc's just extract of percodan. (not flaming or blaming, but this is a whole diff level)
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