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#111236 - 08/27/04 11:20 AM Customs and Seized Orders
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Customs and Seized Orders


My order has been seized by Customs. Is this legal?

My order has been seized by Customs. How can this be avoided?

How do I know if my order has been seized?

What happens when my order is seized?

I just recieved a seizure notice from customs , I am terrified,what will happen to me?

My order has been returned to sender by Customs. What happens now?

We sugges you read what the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has to say about this

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/alerts/alerts/foreign_medication.xml

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Buying Prescription Medicine From Internet Foreign Pharmacies

(02/22/2006)U.S. Customs and Border Protection enforces federal laws regarding the importation of prescription medicines and other medical goods. Below are answers to frequently asked questions about enforcement of these laws.

Q: Why has Customs and Border Protection (CBP) interdicted the drugs I purchased?
A: The Federal Food, drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) prohibits persons from importing into the United States any prescription drug that has not been approved for sale by the United States Food and drug Administration (FDA), or which is adulterated or misbranded. Moreover, in those instances where a United States manufacturer makes an FDA-approved prescription drug and sends it abroad, the FFDCA also prohibits any person other than the original manufacturer from importing the drug back into the United States. Thus, in virtually all instances, individual citizens are prohibited from importing prescription drugs into the United States.

Q: What can I do to get my medication back?
A: If the drugs that CBP interdicted are controlled substances, the Election of Proceedings document you received by mail can be completed requesting formal seizure.

If the drugs are non-controlled prescription drugs, such as Viagra, Penicillin, Prozac, Lipitor, CBP will inform consignees who are in violation of this law. Consignees will receive a letter that they have 30 days to either abandon the shipment or request an admissibility review by the FDA. Their options are to: 1) abandon the shipment to CBP and CBP will destroy the package at the government's expense, 2) the consignee can elect to have CBP send the package to FDA to determine the admissibility of the drug, or 3) if the consignee does not respond to the letter at all in 30 days, CBP will destroy the package. The FDA will make all final decisions on admissibility.

Q: I purchase my drugs from Canadian pharmacies. What evidence does CBP have that these drugs are not safe?

A: During a recent FDA ( FDA News ) enforcement effort, 85 percent of the medications purchased from Canadian pharmacies were actually shipped from countries other than Canada. Similarly, CBP has interdicted significant quantities of prescription drugs, which are exported from countries other than Canada. For more information visit FDA website. ( FDA Public Health Advisory )

Of particular concern, CBP, in cooperation with FDA, recently intercepted products at the border that purported to be "generic" Tamiflu but which, in fact, contained Vitamin C and other ineffective substances. Although the drugs were similar in appearance to genuine Tamiflu, they offer no therapeutic benefit.

The FDA has warned that medicines purchased outside the United States may be unsafe or ineffective for the following reasons:

* Medicines that have not been approved for sale in the United States may not have been manufactured under quality assurance procedures designed to produce a safe and effective product.
* Some imported medicines, even those that bear the name of a U.S.- approved product, may be counterfeit versions that are unsafe or even completely ineffective.
* Some imported medicines and their ingredients, although legal in foreign countries, may not have been evaluated for safety and effectiveness in the United States. These products may be addictive or contain other dangerous substances.
* There are risks of unsupervised use. Some medicines, whether imported or not, are unsafe when taken without adequate medical supervision.
* The medicine’s label, including instructions for use and possible side effects, may be in a language you do not understand and may make medical claims or suggest specific uses that have not been adequately evaluated for safety and effectiveness.
* An imported medicine may lack information that would permit you to be promptly and correctly treated for a dangerous side effect caused by the medicine.

Q: I thought that I could import a three-month supply of drugs. Is this not correct?
A: The FDA ( FDA ) has developed guidance allowing FDA Inspectors to exercise enforcement discretion. In deciding whether to exercise discretion to allow personal shipments of drugs or devices, FDA personnel may consider a more permissive policy in the following situations:

* When the intended use is appropriately identified, such use is not for treatment of a serious condition, and the product is not known to represent significant health risk; or
* When
1. the intended use is unapproved and for a serious condition for which effective treatment may not be available domestically either through commercial or clinical means;
2. there is no known commercialization or promotion to persons residing in the U.S. by those involved in the distribution of the product at issue;
3. the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk; and
4. the individual seeking to import the product affirms in writing that it is for the patient’s own use (generally not more than 3 month supply) and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the U.S. responsible for his or her treatment with the product, or provides evidence that the product is for the continuation of a treatment begun in a foreign country.

Q: I cannot afford to purchase medication from U.S. pharmacies. What should I do?
A: FDA ( FDA ) advises consumers that they must use great care when purchasing prescription drugs online. Evidence indicates that although a Web site may appear to be hosted by a reputable source and may look similar to other retail pharmacy Web sites, many of these sites in fact operate from outside the United States and are providing unapproved drugs from unreliable sources. The National Association of Boards of Pharmacy (NABP) has established a program called VIPPS designed to certify Web sites that meet industry standards. For more on this program and a list of pharmacies that display the Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites™ Seal, (VIPPS® Seal), visit National Association of Boards of Pharmacy website. ( Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites (VIPPS) )

Consumers should also talk to their doctors about their concerns, ask their pharmacist for generic medication, and shop among different pharmacies for the best buy. For information about Medicare Part D visit the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services website. ( Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services )







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#590787 - 10/30/07 05:34 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: Melody]
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i recently ordered a package from unitedpharmacies for propecia for hairloss, arrived at my po box and i had to sign for it, this product is not a controlled substance but i am worried about Love letters and signing for the package because even though UP stamped on the box signature not required i still had to sign for it at the post office ?

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#602204 - 11/19/07 05:54 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: Defwer]
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I just received a informed compliance notice for imported controlled substances from customs and border protection. they say a package has been seized. To be honest, I wasn't expecting a package. This could have been something from a long time ago. What should I do? Should I check to destroy and sign the second page or should I just do nothing.

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#602208 - 11/19/07 05:58 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: jewell1234
I just received a informed compliance notice for imported controlled substances from customs and border protection. they say a package has been seized. To be honest, I wasn't expecting a package. This could have been something from a long time ago. What should I do? Should I check to destroy and sign the second page or should I just do nothing.


Do nothing seems to be the general consensus around here...




Edited by funkybreakz (11/19/07 05:59 PM)
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#602460 - 11/20/07 06:15 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: funkybreakz]
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Thanks

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#604036 - 11/23/07 10:07 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: Defwer]
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 Originally Posted By: Defwer
i recently ordered a package from unitedpharmacies for propecia for hairloss, arrived at my po box and i had to sign for it, this product is not a controlled substance but i am worried about Love letters and signing for the package because even though UP stamped on the box signature not required i still had to sign for it at the post office ?



whats your point?

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#689618 - 04/27/08 11:19 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: gregg1077]
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 Originally Posted By: gregg1077
 Originally Posted By: Defwer
i recently ordered a package from unitedpharmacies for propecia for hairloss, arrived at my po box and i had to sign for it, this product is not a controlled substance but i am worried about Love letters and signing for the package because even though UP stamped on the box signature not required i still had to sign for it at the post office ?



whats your point?


You probobly had to sign for it b/c you went to the post office. You have to sign for everything at the post office.
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#746282 - 08/13/08 01:07 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: bigperm20]
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yes if you pick it up at the post office you will sign. If nothing happened then don't worry

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#762037 - 09/08/08 10:36 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: MindlessDribble]
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Hi all. I have a question and am interested if anyone has ever needed to contact customs in regards to importation/seized orders? Cheers.

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#762052 - 09/08/08 11:38 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: enfour]
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 Originally Posted By: enfour
Hi all. I have a question and am interested if anyone has ever needed to contact customs in regards to importation/seized orders? Cheers.


All LL's in the USA will give you the option to contact customs, or the procecuter, that would handle the case.

The only problem is trying to convince L.E. what you ordered is legal to import. I think that you would draw unnessasary attention to yourself if you gave that a try.

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#762176 - 09/09/08 09:06 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: Strawberry]
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Yeah, drawing attention was sorta my thoughts too. Thanks Strawberry. Anyone else with any experiences? \:\)

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#762184 - 09/09/08 09:18 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: enfour]
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 Originally Posted By: enfour
Hi all. I have a question and am interested if anyone has ever needed to contact customs in regards to importation/seized orders? Cheers.


Unless you have an import license through the DEA, it is illegal for one to import any type of controlled substance. so I would think filling out this form would just be increminating yourself.
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#767025 - 09/16/08 07:21 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: funkybreakz]
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Awww man,

This brings back memories. There was an oldtimer on DB who Did challenge the FDA/Customs regarding his shipment. He won.

Anyone remember the guys name? Switch,,Flip..something like that.

Anyway,he challeged by filling out the paperwork Customs sent him,,received a date,it went to court(?),he showed he had a valid script for the meds(non-controlled),had an affidavit from his PCP,he was on SSD,if I remember right,showed the court the difference between the USA?Canada cost... and was granted custody of the package with a strong warning it can be dangerous to order outside the USA.

Seems it was from a Canada pharm,,which had received it from the USA to begin with....he had a severe condition where he had a documented need for the meds for bone cancer(was it?)
It was some sort of debilitating disease and this med was the only one that,he believed,would slow the disease/cancer growth.

He was very well documented,,but I don't recall him having a legal representative with him. He was a sharp guy,,and I believe passed away not long after that.

Just a memory now,,but may be can help someone,
J.
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#769215 - 09/20/08 10:22 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: funkybreakz]
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just curious, who was the shipper? If you dont mind sharing, you can pm me if you like, Im just wondering because I have a lost oe seized package from ARG. and I am very concerned what is going on

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#815922 - 12/16/08 04:12 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: Strawberry]
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Plenty of information about the risk involved in meds being shipped from other countries and potential seizure from Customs... but... I'm wondering about medication that is shipped domestically from a state in the US to me... who checks those? USPS? Is there as much risk involved? Sorry if I'm missing the thread all I see is info in regards to international shipping and CBP

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#815938 - 12/16/08 04:43 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: losman7]
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Customs and BP only watch for orders coming into the US from outside the country not within it. You cannot get a seizure notice from them if your order within the US. It is illegal though to order controlled substances without a prescription but if they are in a pill bottle with a Dr's name and coming from within the US you usually would not have an issue as alot of people have (especially seniors on medicare) to order from certain sources in order to obtain the cheapest prices.

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#821328 - 12/27/08 02:42 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: funbag]
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Awesome story Jeremiah! I'd love to read more about that, as I think it really legitimizes the need for this board.

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#822461 - 12/30/08 09:53 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: atlantarom]
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I've had 4 of my last 6 orders intercepted, this count includes after i switched to another op. I got only 2 letters so far, one saying both drugs that were in the envelope a benzo and ambien, the second one saying a shipment just of ambien.

Considering the amount intercepted, over a short period of time i am starting to get nervous. Reading on this forum i figured that there is very little legal risk for individuals and small orders, but at what point should I worry? 4 shipments intercepted seems like a lott, at what point do i expect a knock on my door? should i stop ordering?

Does any of the following help?: using a different name on packages, using a different address [are they looking for mail headed to me now], does ordering different drugs make it less likely to get caught?(sounds dumb but it seems that everywhere i heard, and a lott of posts on this forum, can't get lorazapam specificaly through customs anymore)

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#822740 - 12/30/08 08:58 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: roaky]
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Is it legal to mail (or commercially ship) meds to a person for whom they were not prescribed? Recipient in question is a health care professional who works for a home health care org that doesn't offer insurance (believe it or not! 'Tis true!). She fears ordering things herself because of the risk to her license. Could another person order on her behalf and then send to her without too much risk? Or could it be randomly inspected and intercepted?

BTW, meds would not be controlled substances.

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#822915 - 12/31/08 10:38 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: loohoo]
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Legality realy doesn't come into it all that much, there have been cases with people spending years in prison for posessing large amounts of pharmaceuticals that were prescribed to them in person, and purchased at chain pharmacies (the case im thinking of specificaly the doctor when questioned if he prescribed the medications paniced and denied it afterwards).

As things currently stand (ive seen this change a few times over the last few years) you can only import with propper dea issued license, and though you can with propper perscription if intercepted to retrieve them you would need to make the case with active and corrent prescriptions, and a lott of hassle, though you can still end up in trouble with this if your prescription wasnt active or exact to the items being imported.

generaly if intercepted the meds are a lost cause, but not much risk, since 1 its not illegal to be mailed something illegal, and 2 they dont have the resources to pursue individuals.

There is never 100% assurity though.

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#822918 - 12/31/08 10:41 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: roaky]
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what i would realy like to know is who has access to these customs records. Obviously this sort of thing doesn't show up on a background check because no charges are filed, but they obviously have your name somewhere and can that come back to haunt you at some point? or is it classified unless action is taken? I would assume only the DEA has access directly, though i read a few posts about people getting inquireies from local law enforcement.

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#822921 - 12/31/08 10:45 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: roaky]
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I'm definitely thinking you should stop before it's too late. I disagree that authorities won't go after an individual for trafficking narcotics. That's probably what they'd call it no matter what you order, who's to say otherwise.

I've seen too many cases just like this end up being really negative.
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#823011 - 12/31/08 02:16 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: Oxy80]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxy80
I'm definitely thinking you should stop before it's too late. I disagree that authorities won't go after an individual for trafficking narcotics. That's probably what they'd call it no matter what you order, who's to say otherwise.

I've seen too many cases just like this end up being really negative.



Oh, I haven't done anything yet. I stand to potentially lose too much, not the least of which is my beautiful son. I'm doing lots of research before I make a decision whether or not to help this person (my sister). As I said, it wouldn't be narcotics - I'm just not that dumb! \:\) - but I know they're strict with prescriptions of all classes.

Starting to think, though, that it's not worth finding out how strict they want to be... Maybe I'll hand off some meds to my sis the next time I see her in person, but I'm not too comfortable with the notion of using the USPS any more.

Thanks for the input, Oxy. I appreciate it.

Happy New Year!

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#823040 - 12/31/08 03:20 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: roaky]
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 Originally Posted By: roaky
what i would realy like to know is who has access to these customs records. Obviously this sort of thing doesn't show up on a background check because no charges are filed, but they obviously have your name somewhere and can that come back to haunt you at some point? or is it classified unless action is taken? I would assume only the DEA has access directly, though i read a few posts about people getting inquireies from local law enforcement.


From what I understand this information is available to law enforcement, local, federal, whatever. Whether it is "classified" or not depends on what your definition of that term is.
There is absolutely no question about the fact that this is illegal and a felony offense when pursued. While many of the posters on this discussion board seem to brush that off as merely a formality, I would not be so sure.

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#823085 - 12/31/08 07:05 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: martind]
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 Originally Posted By: martind
 Originally Posted By: roaky
what i would realy like to know is who has access to these customs records. Obviously this sort of thing doesn't show up on a background check because no charges are filed, but they obviously have your name somewhere and can that come back to haunt you at some point? or is it classified unless action is taken? I would assume only the DEA has access directly, though i read a few posts about people getting inquireies from local law enforcement.


From what I understand this information is available to law enforcement, local, federal, whatever. Whether it is "classified" or not depends on what your definition of that term is.
There is absolutely no question about the fact that this is illegal and a felony offense when pursued. While many of the posters on this discussion board seem to brush that off as merely a formality, I would not be so sure.


Felony? I am not so sure.. And it is never pursued for small quantities.
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#823223 - 01/01/09 09:53 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: OldandWorn]
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Felony under certain circumstances. You are correct though that federally a first offense of simple importation is a misdemeanor. But "reimportation" or "intent to mislead" (whatever that is) is a felony from the git-go.
Obviously the government does not have the resources to enforce the laws that are on the books but they exist nonetheless.

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#823596 - 01/02/09 10:19 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: martind]
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it is disturbing to me the lack of solid information in this area, are the only people with first hand info the spooks on the other side and those who get caught and no longer post? Seems like all we go on here is hearsay and 2nd hand info, though this does seem to follow the pattern that decisive action is rarely taken in this regard.

My understanding of the word narcotic though is that it only applies to opiate based substances, and i don't think anyone on here is realy dumb enough to be ordering them internationaly anymore (though it was practical a decade to just a few years ago perhaps).

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#824015 - 01/03/09 08:36 AM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: roaky]
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Yeah I agree roaky. But yeah I have received 3 customs letters in the past and continued to order benzos despite this (have never ordered anything more than benzos and never would try to). There is always very obviously a risk, but with the amount of posts regarding the matter of LL's, I do seem to more and more doubt whether real action is ever taken if one is receiving a small quantity of, say diazepam. Eventhough this activity is illegal, I have always beleived that their is a big grey area here.

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#824188 - 01/03/09 05:11 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: enfour]
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Unfortunately for some, Interpol has now stepped into the OCS interdiction business on the international level and you will see more action for the end user. Sorry, google it, it is no secret.
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#824189 - 01/03/09 05:16 PM Re: Customs and Seized Orders [Re: roaky]
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 Originally Posted By: roaky
Legality realy doesn't come into it all that much, there have been cases with people spending years in prison for posessing large amounts of pharmaceuticals that were prescribed to them in person, and purchased at chain pharmacies (the case im thinking of specificaly the doctor when questioned if he prescribed the medications paniced and denied it afterwards).

As things currently stand (ive seen this change a few times over the last few years) you can only import with propper dea issued license, and though you can with propper perscription if intercepted to retrieve them you would need to make the case with active and corrent prescriptions, and a lott of hassle, though you can still end up in trouble with this if your prescription wasnt active or exact to the items being imported.

generaly if intercepted the meds are a lost cause, but not much risk, since 1 its not illegal to be mailed something illegal, and 2 they dont have the resources to pursue individuals.
There is never 100% assurity though.


Sorry to disagree, it is absolutely illegal to accept illegal drugs. I just thought I would clarify that, and secondly, with the Interpol initiative, which has been signed on by member countries, the resources to go after individuals are in place. I am not trying to panic people. Google it yourself. It is a fairly recent development.
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