Melody, you've GOT to be right!!!! They need to trash DB and claim that they offer something more or better for the $$$.

THANK YOU DRUGBUYERS.COM FOR BEING HERE!!!!!!!

So, so true. Plus, the added bonus are the other people on the board who can actually relate to one another and show empathy towards one another's pain and illnesses. This board is unique in the sense that it isn't overrun by a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix. It's become more like a community where we can all count on one another to get us through the difficult times and reassure us when we're down. One big, happy family, and that's why we all love it here so much

~ Eeyore

Capitalisim at its best. Pay (alot) to live, pay (alot) to stop the pain. Otherwise, your f'ed.

No. That's not it.

It's because this is the board with the largest amount of members. We have the most up to date information.



When you're the best, there's always a line behind you, waiting to try to knock u out of top spot.

...and see, all this time I thought it was because we had this beautiful sylph Moonshade who reigned over our requests and brought colorful pictures of them just...like...that!

Naturally, other board would be consumed with covetuousness...

yes and I also think DB has more of a "COMMUNITY" feeling. For the most part everyone is very eager to help each other out and relay any experiences and info that will help. Yeah we have the QUANTITY but we also have the QUALITY members ........ for the most part anyways lol

I couldnt agree more.
Other boards dont seem to have the
compassionate members who unselflishly help
people in need like the DB'ers here.
The experiences and understanding here just
doesnt seem to be evident at other forums.

PS.....
Any other Cancer patients here (besides myself)?
I would definately benefit from some of
your experience also, and would be glad to share mine
as well.
Thanks Again for all the help and humor, and all the
good things that all you great people do here everyday!
I know it helps me alot!

Chef

Hey Chef,
I too am a CP. feel free to pm me if u wanna talk bout it.. Take good care,
Bamboo

I think it's because of the cool people we have here, helping one another. I was warmly welcomed.

OK, I'm the dumb one but what's a pharmacy group?

Basically, other boards like this one.

I joined one, and I got in trwooble again, cause I took a OPS rep to task when they charged me for overnight, when I had asked for 2nd day, and several other minor issues.

I received a pm from the admin telling me it was never okay to complain about cs from any of their approved and listed sites.

Yikes. Can you say "what's the point"? There were several of us there, but days would pass before something got posted.

(Say Melody, I thought we weren't supposed to discuss other boards? If so, please feel free to make this go away.)

Thank you Abbeyart.

There are various reasons. One IOP board was started by a banned DBer. He likes to talk a lot of [censored] about the owner of this site. Also, this site (seems) to make a profit and it may be pure jealousy. Top dogs are always disliked for one reason or another.

Yeah, that same banned DBer likes to come around here under an assumed identity, every month or so, harass some of us, and post on every freaking thread that is available (kinda like he did yesterday). I guess his board isn't getting a lot of attention, so he has to come over here to try to drum up business.

Frankly we can not understand where all the hate comes from or what created it... never seen so much hate and nonsense... they attack us, our site, our members, and anything DB... non stop...

We just heard someone is going to build 300 new hate db sites... starting with prescriptionbuyers.com and safedrugbuyers.com... so stupic it is scary :-)

We can only try to ignore, say it is not true, and try to ID them for procecution...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4

... and if there are any lawyers in the house... please contact me by PM :-)

Then there is that sicko that Spams and insults our members and tells them that his board is the one because it has no flames :-), the same person tha was banned from here for soliciting scam email sources... the same sicko goes around saying I work with the DEA in exchange for them not busting me for my child porn activities...

Sick... anything goes to try to make us look bad... we are Jew haters, slave traders, child molesters, rats, informers, credit card crooks, you name it... yet we are the place to copy, their role model, what they want to be...

It is just 3 or 4 people with a lot of usernames and a bunch of useless message boards that are just DB wannabes... they copy everything we have and then say we are bad and demonic... <img src="/freeboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

We do not allow any mention of other boards other than in general and then there are always some exceptions
You can always use google to find them, just search for "Drugbuyers.com is a scam" <img src="/freeboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> and you will find them, they all start the same way, tryed to scam db members, solicited on db, banned from db, hate db, copy db, bash db... db this and db that...

Let them talk about us... we have what they want: the best members <img src="/freeboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for your support

I saw a funny thing elsewhere online and it was pretty ridiculous and later shown to be absolutely false, which says a lot about those posting it, allowing it to be posted, etc etc etc....

So a person started a thread, saying they received an anonymous email with a document attached or contained in the email. This document was some sort of court docket form or a form stating formal charges against someone.

Whatever it was, it supposedly said that the owner of DB, named in the document, was arrested and was being tried for charges related to child pornography, and it stated a specific federal or state district court jurisdiction.

So, someone called that district to verify info, spoke to a few people, and essentially found out that the document was/is forged and no such charges or arrests of any kind are associated with Administrator

I thought that was interesting....for anyone who gives into hype and doesn't check s.hit out first.

Not sure what a pharmacy group is.
We are more like a pharmacy watch and support group. That is if you want to describe it in just a few words which is not too easy.
We are more like a community of people in similar situations, most member are chronic patients, that gather to help and support each other

Ok, I have to admit that this explanation was better than mine....

What a nerve.
This person erased the original name and replaced it for mine... then posted it all over the net

You have to be sick to do something like that... or to condone those doing it...

Wonder how that person got a copy of that original document? my guess is that the person that forged it is the one whose name was on it in the first place...

Who knows..... But, there are definitely some people (and some sites they either run or are affiliated with) that enjoy nothing more than running DB down and running DB members down as much as possible . That's why I stick around here and stay away from the other places. I've been here long enough to trust the site, trust MOST of the people on it, and enjoy it.

I heard about the child porn thing and I can guess where it came from. Ridiculous.

Well, the banned DBer's site has a huge chunk of it dedicated to the whole "child porn" thing......a little bit of info (stolen, BTW) and a lot of trash talking and other BS.

I have no clue as to what other pharmacy group everyone is referring to but thank you for answering my question about what a pharmacy group was. I have another one...I looked at the membership here and it looked like it cost money to join. Am I missing something or some other place in the DB board that's free?

We offer a free site for all... but we have to pay for it...

So if you like our site and you would like to help us keep it going... you can subscribe... you can help us pay the bills...

It costs less than $5 per month... as a "thank you" for helping us you will get a bunch of discounts and benefits that will make you wonder why you did not join before :-)

We could ask sites to pay us commissions but we ask for discounts for our VIP's... that is how it works... free for all, and discounts to those that subscribe... a WIN-WIN situation :-), no sales pitch, everyone happy...

Subscribers, VIP's, keep this site going... and save a bundle <img src="/freeboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for the information. As you mentioned above to google "Drugbuyers.com is a scam," forgive me but I did. I wanted to see what the hubub was about...also wanted to make sure I was in a safe place Since I'm just getting the feel of the on-line sources, I hope you understand this. Lots of hatred going on in some smaller groups that I found that were outlandish but I think I've come across the site you mentioned. It's a large site and includes the false document that you were referring to. I read it and it was later proven to be bogus down further on the thread. So Admin... no worries there...the document was indeed a forgery. I won't mention the site unless you'd like me too so that people can see that it was proven to be a fake.

I don't know if you could get any LE action out of it because there's a disclaimer on that site...that is if I looked at the site that's creating the discussion and it might not be because it's a free site and if I catch you right the ones you were talking about were sites that charge a fee. If I'm wrong someone correct me please so that I don't turn around a corner and slam into a wall...hate that

On to better topics to read......

am i the only one that gets pm,s about these other sites? So far i have been sent 2 from people i have never heard of. They offer your disc. codes and other supposed savings. Just wondering?

Admin comments: that is Spam and should be reported, We have no tolerance for solicitors using our PM system.
They offer our codes, usually old codes that no longer work and make you feel like a fool when the OCS's put your order on hold pending the correct codes...

Nope, I get them, too. As soon as I see what they are, I ignore them and delete them.

I AGREE with Administrator. Help Keep this Board Alive and Join the VIP side!!! It is well worth it and I know I'm glad I did. This board offers endless knowledge! For all of the other trash talking going on other boards, which was mentioned---This will Always take place when you are Number One. I Love It Here! SUPPORT DB!!!

-77marley

Yep, Most of us get them..Just send them along to Admin.
~hoppa~

Hey, I've been a VIP for a couple years and it's been worth every penny. I've made my investment in joining the boards back in consult savings a few times over.

Its definitely worth the $$ and its not much, so no loss there. I'm new and am impressed.

I will answer that question cause I keep running into those boards. First you get little or bogus information. They endorse usually email sources that give them kickbacks or free med and could care less if the members get shafted. They got what they wanted. Next most are db people that were banned. Well that should say something about their character, they can't follow Rules. The ones I have come across are rude and not friendly and are very paranoid. They bash db because they were banned basically and also db is the largest community I know of and they can't compete with that.

DB is my home as far as boards go, I like the people and info here. I post mostly on VIP so many don't know me here. DB also mediates, I used that service a time or two and got my order. No other board will do that. However, if admin warns you about a site and you order anyway, they still try for you but you were warned. Also I have found admin is right on the money about rouge places. The only time I ever not got my order was from advice from one of those places which is closed now. Wonder why? LOL

excellent information here

Melody, no offense, but could it be because the info on your site is not up-to-date. Many of your last updates on OCS' are from July.

The star rating system is not indicitive of the CURRENT service which each of those companies.

This forces us to have to read EVERY SINGLE POST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE SITE. This is not easy, due to the overwhelming number of people wo are only their to chat and criticize. And even worse because there are so many conflicting opinions lately. It is almost impossible to find an OCS that you can be sure will provide good, fast service.

Furthermore, and I do not mean to offend, but the OCS banners that appear at the top of every page are usually really helpful. BUT, I just clicked on "forums" http://www.drugbuyers.com/freeboard/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=582643#Post582643

and at the top of the page found myself reading about MES and their great service... service that is NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

Of course I got very excited because they were MY OCS. I thought maybe they were back in business. BUT.... I clicked on the link, and got an invalid web address.

Please explain.

You know... I would LOVE to join the VIP side, but do not have a credit card anymore for their new billing system.

I used to be a VIP about a year back. Everything was great until I tried to login one day and my info was suddenly invalid. I was TOLD that it MUST have been due to my VIP subscription expiring. It was not.

And, now that I want to sign up again, because I am broke and could whatever discounts available, I cannot do so. To become a VIP you have to have a credit card (i.e. GOOD CREDIT).

Good credit it something the fedl govt takes from you in the process for applying for SSDI... You have to lose your auto, house, dignity, cannot work so have to go on welfare, end up filing bankruptcy.. all to prove you are really & truly disabled... because apparently your medical records are not good enough proof)

YIKES... I just veered way off-topic. And, I hate it when people do that... just having a horrible pain day today.

Back on topic. I WANT to be a VIP. Is there not some way that DB can find a way for people to become one via money order?? Seems so unfair.

Danni-
It's really hard nowadays to keep all the OP's info up to date. Sometimes, some of the info will literally change twice in 2 days. Most of it is due to the DEA's war on pain and anxiety patients. But I digress..

Alot of the members use a link that can be found on the OCS listing page, to submit any changes they know of, about a particular op. ( or if u see a banner for a place that's now closed, like u have seen )

Regarding the VIP side- if you are unable to obtain a credit card, you can get a "pre-paid" card. Various companies offer them. They usually work just like VISA or MASTERCARD. You just transfer cash onto the card. Since it's not a true "credit" card, in the normal sense, no credit checks are performed.

You can do a search or you can find them in stores , like Walgreens, or check cashing places, etc. Just read the fine print, so u're not paying really high maintenance fees.

U might want to start a new thread on the forum, asking about them. The members can help advise you, I know alot of people use various ones.

Keep in mind this thread was started many years ago

The info may not be updated everywhere on the board, it is a huge site... for the most part the info is current... it is there and you found out the info you are commenting on... this is a discussion board and not a list of "absolutely safe to order sites" (which there isn't one anywhere).


It is not about being updated... is about saying all kinds of untrue things about our site, admin, mods, and members. Anything to get a little attention.

One thing is sure... if you visit hate sites and post, even if it is to disagree, you are helping them do what they are doing. Best is to ignore them...

It sure is fun to go an read the admin is a drug dealer high up there with the Colombian cartels and a crooked child molester that runs child porn sites that are protected by the DEA in exchange for info to bust all drug dealers and OCS's that do not pay him megabucks while he spends the whole day reading member private messages and having sex with the 14 yeal old board moderators, or any similar nonsense... but any fool can see it is not true. It is best to stay clear of all those places... that for years have been coming and going and usually start a little after we ban someone... either a member or a rep... and most have proven to be a lot worst an what they falsely claim we are...

For some lies and our comments Click Here

This thread was about "why the competing sites have nothing good to say about us?. The answer is obvious: to make us look bad, get some attention, and make you go there at least to see what is being said...

When we started this site there were two big pharmacy watch groups with thousands of paying members... we never bashed anyone but we started to offer the same info for free... the big boards did bash us like crazy because we were free and they were charging up to $500 for access. Both sites are closed now... the one with the owner that liked to call our site drugdealers and our member junkies went to jail for 4 year for selling Oxycontin to anyone that could pay for it... and the other is running an IOP our sending meds from India...

Things have changed a lot... we still have the same formula and that is to offer a site that is free for all... and to have those that like and benefit from our free site join as VIP's to keep the site going...

In brief... we are free and you can support our effort... just posting here is a way of supporting us... joining as a VIP supports us a bit more... but we are happy both ways...

Danni:
Pre paid Visa cards, and gift Visa cards can be ourchased at most places that sell MoneyOrder. We do not accept Money Orders by pre paid and gift cards will work just the same as credit and debit cards... no need to be complaining that you can not join...

I just had a similar case, someone was very upset that their pre paid card would not work to purchase a subscription... the problem had to be something on our end for sure. This person had purchased a pre paid card for $20... then wanted to but a subscription for $19... which makes a lot of sense... only proplem is that the pre paid card this person bought charged a fee an deducted it from the card balance... so the card only had a balance that was less than $19... there was no problem when the same card was used to buy our $15 subscription...

If you can not buy a subscription contact us via http://www.drugbuyers.com/help and we will help you. Just do not get upset :-) for not being able to join... what a compliment that is... because getting those that want to support us upset is the last thing in our mind...

And please... if you receive any solicitation by PM... for anything from a place to buy a mortgage, to Oxy, to info about a great site... just forward the message to the mods... specially those PM's that ask you not to do so...


Thank you for your support...

why would anyone use another pharmacy watch group DB is the best , been with DB for a long time plus i am a VIP, i am very pleased.

These lies are ridiculous! I cannot believe people would go to such levels to trash someone or some thing!

I really enjoy this site and dont see how paying for the information from someone else would make it better. So far I have been completely successful in ordering things from the sites that are recommended by the members here!

As well as always having detailed information about the meds I am curious about!

I agree. I've also had pretty good luck with info I got from DB. I just feel like sometimes it's a little too strict around here (e.g. no email source discussions allowed).

That's kind of a ridiculous question in my opinion; it's like asking, "why would anyone read the New York Times when my local paper has all the information I need to know?" It's called research. I think DB is great too and there is other information elsewhere which is just as useful.

You hit the nail on the head. They are selling....you offer for free.

digging up an old thread but maybe it has to do with the fact that large communities like this ruin perfectly good sources.

anything good has to be kept a secret. if everyone on this board knows about something, so does LE.

I never ordered from them but I remember seeing 1oxycodone and europevendor which had great reviews and no longer exist, primarily (if not solely) because of this board and its members.

Drugdealers dont advertise on billboards or TV commercials...for good reason

If you have a good source you should keep it to your damn self instead of advertising it on this board.

People openly discuss illicit activity on this public board for everyone to see...its pure ignorance. Anything you do on the internet leaves a virtual fingerprint. Tracking your internet habits via IP address can be EASILY done.


...be wise


EDIT: That being said, the creators have done a good job in providing an internet resource that is full of relevant content for FREE, which is quite commendable. After all, this site is the epitome of what the internet is all about...the spreading of free, valuable information.

Anyway, It is the foolishness of SOME members that is detrimental.

over and out

Moonshade said it best. I've been a member since 2004 and not a member of any other pharmacy watch sites or info. That should say something. DB is the best!

DB is by far the best site of its kind on the net!

I second that emotion!!

This may be a question for another thread but the exact content and format has been seen on forums like [censored].com epharmacywatch.com(or something like that) and i think one another. I remember a time when two of them had identical content at the same time. This hasn't been the case since 2004. Was the forum sold awhile back like in 2003 or something? I'll feel silly if this stuff is in the FAQ. I haven't read it in years.

www.ePharmacyWatch.com is another name you can use to visit www.DrugBuyers.com

If for any reason you feel unconfortable being at DrugBuyers.com ... you can use www.ePharmacyWatch.com or www.ChronicPatients.com or www.eMedicineForum.com or www.PrescriptionBuyers.com or a few others...

We do not comment, or welcome discussion, on similar pharmacy watch or support groups.

Do our user names and passwords work there?

yep

I can see why .It is ungodly difficult to use as has things like quick reply = what in the hell does that mean? And worse yet quote and quick quote which make absolutely make NO SENSE . has anyone ever figured out any possible use or meaning of these terms? Also in the directions given by Moderator there is NOT anywhere to reply or ask questions. And the search thing is totally ridiculous - i defy anyone to make any sense out of that search thing. NOwhere does it even tell you if the terms are OR or AND and other bizarre terms that make absolutely no sense!! AND WORST OF ALL ONE Cannot be notified by email when their post is replied to as one can in other forums. Eg one clicks on Notify and instead of doing what it should by notifying you about that it brings up the Moderator!!
To put it short one has to be mind reader to know how to use any of these forums!!

You know what?
You are right!
Things should not be so complicated

It all seems pretty simple and easy to use to me.
The only thing that is complicated is trying to understand that previous post.

Swade, don't be so grumpy. Go to the test forum and actually hit some of the buttons and watch what happens. That is the purpose of the test forum.

The above box is what appears in your draft post when you hit the [Quote] button on a post.

I could explain most of these terms/button to you and what happens when you click on them but I am not sure you really want to know.

No, one only has to understand the simple explanation regarding the DIFFERENCE between emails sent when your post is responded to and the ACTUAL purpose of the "Notify" button.
When you click "Notify" you are contacting the Moderator.
Or something like that.

Hi Swade, I am new here as well. I found that looking into the FAQ (not the one posted by the Moderator, but the one for the board) is VERY helpful and actually will answer most of the questions you have asked here.

The FAQ for the board is located up top on the main banner, right in between "Search" and "Links" I hope this helps.

I don't believe I am even aware of other pharmacy watch groups... drug Buyers is such an incredible source of reliable information. I am so grateful to be a part of the community!

I am new but in my limited experience when utilizing the Notify button, it is completely dependent upon whounyou are, the relationshipnyu have with the mod/admin. noyjing whatsoevr with the subject at hand or the delvery of the debate!

Ultimately I subscribe to the quote and at least the preceived truth "Or something like that."

Thank you for this opportunity to openly discuss this matter.

I hope this was sarcasm - because when I utilitze the Notify button it does one thing - takes me to a comment screen for me to let the Admin/Moderators know that something is wrong with that particular post and type in what is wrong with it. But hey, wouldn't it be cool and sh it if each one of us got a difference screen based upon our relationship? The Moderator would spend all day taking notes "okay, let's see, we'll give Martin the screen that just says No, and we'll give Lynx the screen the really doesn't go anywhere when she hits send". It's just too early in the morning for me I think.

Hopefully, the next opportunity you find to openly discuss some matter, you'll make a bit more more sense.
What are you trying to advise with this comment?
Do you believe the administrator of this discussion board is somehow in cahoots with a secret cabal of posters who control the content that is allowed? That takes an amazing "spidey sense" to pick up on this plot after only one day participating here.
Are you another friend of Arty's?

Just a compliment; a stranger finding the information he needs and willing to share it with a lame duck. You, sportsfan, are a nice guy, for real. Soho

Thank you SoHo I just try to help when I can.

(by the way, I am a gal No problem,easy mistake )

Ok if you think it easy or know how to do things then how do I get notified by email when someone replies to my post? Or atleast to have them show up under 'my stuff ' in the 'watched lists' or 'subscriptions' or 'messages'rows and I've tried about everything including going to the Notify box here and NONE worked.
And how do i search for the words "axerer" OR "lkjlkjkff" OR "jzlkjlkj" for example anywhere in the body or title of all posts and now for the same but it must contain
all 3 of the words. This particular issue is something that most all boards do not make clear not just this one. Few years ago Altavista had a good interface in that one
could use the OR, AND and parenthesis eg " (....)" so one could form any Boolean expression exactly and supposedly get back exactly what you ordered. Then there is
the question of how near they had to be together and they even had that option. NOw unfortuneately they have stopped that most convenient easy to use search
format for why i don't know but all searches should follow that same straightforward approach but have yet to see one that does and many now don't even tell you whether it
is AND or OR for the words or terms you write in the search block. NOw here they have an advanced search and it says 'Keyword Search Terms' and a choice
'in subject and body' and it's not clear how to take that as meaning it must be in both or either? and what does 'display name search' mean?

Another thing is lacking here is that if one goes to www.drugbuyers.com/help it seems to have a separate sign in name and password and I was not automatically
logged on to both from either and in that other www.drugbuyers.com/help it seemed to have no link back to here or even suggest that it was part of the same.
All that seems really ridiculous and confusing. And there's definetely too many sub-forum subjects within the main having much overlap.

Also if one selects quick reply and while there clicks on 'Swithch to full screen reply' is that then the same as if had been in regular reply-- is that the only difference between quick and regular reply? And what's the meaning or how to make use of 'quote' and 'quick quote'.

Ok if you think it easy or know how to do things then how do I get notified by email when someone replies to my post? Or atleast to have them show up under 'my stuff ' in the 'watched lists' or 'subscriptions' or 'messages and I've tried about everything from going to the Notify box
(OK so much for that particular as i now know that is to contact the Moderator but if i remember correctly i contacted him about this subject within that most of time with no answer but once he said something about i must go the the beginning of the post or thread ,still not sure as exactly what thread means, but anyway could not follow exactly how i was supposed to do it)
here and NONE worked.
And how do i search for the words "axerer" OR "lkjlkjkff" OR "jzlkjlkj" for example anywhere in the body or title of all posts and now for the same but it must contain
all 3 of the words. This particular issue is something that most all boards do not make clear not just this one. Few years ago Altavista had a good interface in that one
could use the OR, AND and parenthesis eg " (....)" so one could form any Boolean expression exactly and supposedly get back exactly what you ordered. Then there is
the question of how near they had to be together and they even had that option. NOw unfortuneately they have stopped that most convenient easy to use search
format for why i don't know but all searches should follow that same straightforward approach but have yet to see one that does and they don't even tell you whether it
is AND or OR for the words or terms you write in the search block. NOw here they have an advanced search and it says 'Keyword Search Terms' and a choice
'in subject and body' and it's not clear how to take that as meaning it must be in both or either? and what does 'display name search' mean?

Another thing is lacking here is that if one goes to www.drugbuyers.com/help it seems to have a separate sign in name and password and I was not automatically
logged on to both from either and in that other www.drugbuyers.com/help it seemed to have no link back to here or even suggest that it was part of the same.
All that seems really ridiculous and confusing. And there's definetely too many sub-forum subjects within the main having much overlap.

Also if one selects quick reply and while there clicks on 'Swithch to full screen reply' is that then the same as if had been in regular reply-- is that the only difference between quick and regular reply - whoops now see there is more difference as the regular brings up also those little circle posting icons as well - ok and
I guess the quick does not relate back to any message in particular like does not have RE:...? And what's the meaning or how to make use of 'quote' and 'quick quote'.

As I originally told you......check out the FAQ for the board. Trust me, your questions are answered there.

sawade- Apparently most everyone else has figured all of this out without the necessity for a personally guided tour from the administrator.
I'm sure if you keep reading, you'll catch on.
Please be sure, however, to continue to share your many criticisms and complaints with the moderators about how ridiculous and confusing their discussion board is.

OK I'll Bite on this one.

On the top of this thread click on Topic Options ...Click on watch Topic...Now go to My Stuff and Click on Watched List...Now click on Watched Topics....Click on Edit Watched Topics...To the far right where it says SET EMAIL...Click on send email Immediately. Now would it Not be easier to ask Politely then to get all Upset and Make Negative Comments?

Yes i will try to do that and did not mean to imply nothing about this forum is good but it just seemed at the time i read posts in this stream prior there was an overabundance of only positive praising posts and needed to point out some shortcomings not too point blame any certain person or the Moderator in general. I have found out the search thing is OR not AND and also went to advanced search where it says mark all required key terms preceeded with + and that sounded like it would then be AND fct like had to require ALL the terms but unfortuneately not as all i tried appeared it was still OR so as far as i can tell there is no way to search with requiring ALL terms - this would also require knowing if all terms had to be in the same post or the same thread - that thread terminology is a bit ambiguous it seems as when does one end another start or does one have to keep going back and back to see the first person who started it but even that is somewhat ambiguous as it gets off the original subject often with successive posts.

don't know who is Arty and said nothing and know nothing about the Administrator.

Lynx and Martin, that's cool bout the special Admin relationship feature!

when I hit 'Notify' I get a 'spidey-sense'web cam into random Poohbah living rooms.

so far, not that much happening there

You stay out of my living room with your spidey-sense cam! Not just everyone gets to see that I watch Operation Repo. Oops

Apparently you haven't figured out the "special feature" that indicates to whom a post is responding. It's the "re: xxx" heading.
In this case, it wasn't you.
Just keep working on it and soon you'll figure out how this whole discussion board actually works.

i don't know but thought i read it was re :swade but now it is irrelevant and can't prove one way or other as somehow that post got deleted.

I am old and have had no problems wandering around db and getting advice I need.

No it did not get deleted. It was a response to "Jimmy Neutron." But you do have to figure out how to "scroll up through the posts" to locate the post.
You really are having a very difficult time figuring out this whole discussion board process, aren't you?