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#105285 - 01/18/07 01:22 PM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
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Registered: 02/24/06
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I am new to temgesic, i am a chronic pain suffer and have neck and back injuries from a car wreck and have to have doulbe shoulder surgery next week{{one at a time}, after that is over i want to quit for a while, i take at least 100mg of hydro a day and have been for a while, i got some .02 temgesic to help me with WD, i am SO confused about dosage and is this enough mg wise, how many .02's equal 1 mg 5? i have 130 count of them, what i need help is a sernario of what how and dosage, sounds like i wait 24 hours then take can someone please take a moment to help me with a simple plan, as this is very confusing and a lot of mis info on the net. My plan is to get thru the WD from hydros then quit the temgestic when it is ok to do so, they see were my pain is out without. please help me with a plan! i did read all 3 pages, but still need help.. 
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#105291 - 01/20/07 04:57 AM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
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Registered: 03/18/04
Posts: 467
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Bone,
I never get tired of hearing success stories with Suboxone/Subutex/Bupe.
I've never seen nor heard of anyone where some form of Buprenorphine didn't help "tremendously" people stop all forms and doses of full agonists. I've heard of people with 500mg Oxycontin Monkeys on their back and after two to three days on Suboxone/Subutex/etc they all feel/felt like they were (re)born into a new young body. And all felt wonderful after the first couple of days on Bupe.
I believe it really is a miracle drug.
It's all in finding the correct dose.
Now, "PAWS", coming off bupe can be as bad as with a full agonist. But there are new drugs and methods out there today that will help getting off the bupe also. These drugs and methods were not around until a year,or so ago.
Good luck to all who are either on or try Bupe to get off Opiate agonists.
What new drugs are you talking about? I would be intested to no some of the names because I have never heard of any new drugs to help get off suboxone, and it is hell to get off of--at least that is what I have seen and heard.
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#105293 - 01/22/07 10:42 AM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
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Registered: 02/24/06
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ok here is my plan? Like i said i use at least 100mg a day or more and have been for a few years of hydro, going to wait about 12 hours, then take 1 .2mg and go from there with the thought of maybe 4-5 -6 a day total taken. maybe every 5-6 hours does this sound like a fair plan? The hydros i use are the compound 15/200 type, and i have a high tolerance , i am nervious about this, but yet i am wanting to do it, but i dont want to over do it, or underdo that is why i thought i should come here and ask for some dosage help, i will only have about 130-40 of these , so if i do 6 or so a day i will have about a 20 days supply, and other times i quit on my own it seemed most the physical wd stuff only lasted 6 days or so, with the 5,6, day seeming the worse then getting better. I hope with taking this temgesic that the hydro leaves your body at the same rate of time, so after 20 days i should be ok at least with the physical withdrawl symtoms???
anyone?
Edited by Lha (01/22/07 10:45 AM)
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#105294 - 01/22/07 02:22 PM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
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Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 218
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I have been on Suboxone for about 7 months. I started because my Hydro use was out of hand. My tolerance was through the roof and so I was forced to take a break.
For a while i was using 16 - 20 mgs of Sub per day. This turned me into a zombie with absolutely no emotions. Over time, I was able to taper down to 2-3mgs of Suboxone a day.
Now, I am using Hydro again for back and shoulder pain. It workes the best. However, I usually run out of meds before my refills are due. I try not to, but I do. I am not going to run the risk of Double Dipping so I typically must go through WD once every 25 days and substitute an OTC pain med. This is actually good for me. it is about 5-6 days off.
So, now when I run out of Hydro, the first thing I do on my first morning W/O hydro is take a SMALL CRUMB (less than 1/2 of a mg) of Suboxone. Then I take another crumb about 3 in the afternoon. At night, I take 15mgs of valium. Total intake of Sub is less than 1mg.
The next day, I take just 1 crumb (just less than 1/4 mg) of Sub and the same 15mg valium program at night. Total days Sub intake approx .5mg.
On day three i take no Sub. I have almost ZERO W/D effects except for a little diarrhea (easily controlled with Immodium). For pain, I resort to advil (about 1200mgs per day). I begin valium taper this night. Down to 10mgs. By day 6, I am off Valium, Hydro and Sub with very little W/D symptoms. Then my meds come and cycle begins again. Hydro allows me to sit comfortably at work and focus. If I did not have it, I am NEVER comfortable sitting and it makes focusing on work very difficult.
With Sub, LESS IS MORE!
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#105299 - 06/09/07 01:01 PM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
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Registered: 07/02/06
Posts: 97
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this is what it is,USA Brand Name : Temgesic
Generic : Buprenorphine
Indian Brand Name : Buprenorphine
Dosage : 0.2mg
sorry i had it wrong this is from Raj with online solutions
My own experience with bupes was from OS4U. I figure i would try it as a pain med. I was on a train (26 hr ride), and after hours of reading, started to get a really bad headache. Took 2 sublingually, but it didn't do squat but make me more nauseous, and difficulty peeing. In fact, i would sit for 5 mins before anything would come out (with lots of pushing), though once started, it came out good.
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#105303 - 07/01/07 07:08 AM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
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Registered: 03/18/04
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Why dont you go to a certified bupe doctor and get a script? There have been posts here about temgesic vs suboxone. I have a lot of experience with both and here is my advice: The doctors who prescribe buprenorphine (suboxone) are only required to take an 8 hour course to be certified. I took the course and it is amazingly weak. The doctors are, for the most part, uneducated in the proper dosing. The rule with bupe is that LESS IS MORE (DONT go chasing a buzz with this!! it actually is an agonist at small doses and more of an antagonist at larger doses. SO, your best chance for feeling good from bupe is to take SMALL doses). In other words, those .2 mg temgesics DO work. When you go to a bupe doctor they will put you on anywhere from 8mg-32mg's per day for up to a year! this is WAY overdosing. If you go to a sub doctor and get the 8 mg pills, try breaking off a small piece and letting it dissolve under your tongue for [censored] long as possible. wait an hour and see how you feel. if you are still in withdrawals, take another small piece and wait. (I forgot to mention, you must be in mild withdrawals before you start or the bupe will put you into withdrawals and it wont be pretty. Also, the naloxone mixed in with the bupe in Suboxone will have ZERO effect on you sublingally or orally, if you happen to swallow some. it only has antagonistic effects if administered IV)).
Anyway, I think the cheapest, best route is to find a bupe doc if you can and get the script for the 8mg's and make them last. The final piece of the puzzle is to get off of them ASAP. As in 2 weeks MAX. If you stay on over a month, you will need to do a 6 month taper to get off of it and it WILL BE DIFFICULT. Bupe withdrawals (if you take it too long) will be MUCH worse that regular opiate withdrawals and can last months, instead of days. So, this drug is a miracle drug for getting off opiates if you take small doses for a short period of time.
It's hard to give this kind of info when it goes against what your doc may tell you. I'm not a doc, but have reviewed over 1500 case studies and taken the same course they take. People wonder why the .2 temgesics work while epople are prescribed 8mg-32mgs a day by a bupe doc and it's because they are being overdosed and this will lead to bupe dependence and, ultimately, a bupe withdrawal nightmare.
When I used bupe to get off a SERIOUS hydro habit (started with legit pain, but got way out of control as in 60+ norcos a day, I made an 8 mg suboxone pill last 5 days. at the end of my detox, I was taking pieces of suboxone the size of a crumb, and they worked!!, then, it was easy to step off the drug and get on with the real battle - staying clean!.
Sorry to ramble, but tis drug is HIGHLY misunderstood and misused. Please PM me if you are interested in going this route and I will help you out the best I can. My first piece of advise - get the drug from a certified doctor and not from an IOP if you can. In the long run it will be cheaper and healthier (you should have your vitals monitored and have a doc make sure you're not mixing bupe with counterindicated drugs ie: benzos).....
enough rambling. PM me if you want and if you're sick of opiates and feel you need to get off, please reach out to me and I'll help..
-bcousin
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#552424 - 08/29/07 04:49 PM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
[Re: slepinosa65]
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Registered: 03/03/07
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Hi all... I have a few questions that don't seem to be mentioned in the thread yet. I have NO opiate tolerance right now, on account of the stupid OCS situation generally, and what they have sent lately is total S, so called "hydro" but actually does little for my pain. (Those white mallies and those godforsaken pink things are extremely weak and not worth paying for, really.) For the past few weeks I have been ODing on OTC meds, just starting with Kratom and Soma, to at least *some* result in pain management. The only "real" medication I've been able to acquire lately is the buprenorphine 0.2 mg, the Indian "Temgesic," which I guess is indicated for pain. (I don't know how this is possible, that I am a genuine CP patient who can't get actual medication, only a med intended for addiction to the substance that I cannot even get? What is that about?? It is F'ed up, is what!) Anyway, I have been taking it 90% for pain control and maybe 10% to treat the minor hydro withdrawal, which is over now since it has been a couple weeks since my last (very weak and yet still so expensive!) hydro dose. So, if you have no/little opiate tolerance, do you think buprenorphine can work for pain? And what would be an average dose? So far, I have been taking 3-4 of the 0.2 (So about 0.5 altogether) in doses a couple times a day. It has been providing some pain relief, but I am still having to chug Advil in dangerous amounts to keep the pain down that I can do anything or be active. I am a little nervous about taking more of the Buprenorphine, because... It causes severe nausea. SOMETIMES. I can't figure this out. I have been taking it for several days in a row, and it seems like if I take it *with* food, it makes me really sick. Has anyone else noticed this? That if you eat (at any time, really) while you are taking this, it makes you sick? I don't mind some weight loss (I have a college wardrobe waiting to be fit into again), but it's getting hungry over here on water and maybe 500 calories a day... Also, someone mentioned that the pain relief lasts for only a week or so and then it stops working. Has anyone else had that experience, too? I have been really careful with this med, as I read up on it and took note of its many horror stories. I started with just one 0.2 and have gradually gone up as needed for pain. Yes, it is the 0.2 in little white tablets, and they are not sublingual. That is annoying how they have a 0.2 and a 2 mg standard dose that seems to beg for confusion and overdose... And I DID wait until mild w/d set in before I took it. (It did relieve the w/d immediately, so it is doing something obviously.) Anyway, I would really like to NOT die via Advil, am trying to reduce the anti-inflammatory use at least a little bit. If you take a higher dose of Buprenorphine, does it work better for pain. (At 1 mg or maybe 1.5 mg?)
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#797689 - 11/04/08 09:41 AM
Re: Buprenorphine - Temgesic
[Re: Maldini]
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Registered: 05/01/08
Posts: 1864
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This thread hasn't been used for a while but it is right on topic with a question that I have been unable to answer after hours of searching. I have read several posts (on this site and others) saying that Temgesic is not nearly as good for opiate withdrawal as suboxone or subtex. I have also read several posts saying Temgesic is just as good if not better for Opiate withdrawal. So which is it??? I have used Suboxone to detox from opiates once before and what people say about less being more is very much true. I was just fine using 0.5 to 1mg per day (one dose in the morning).
I since had to go back on opiates but am ready to detox again, this time using Temgesic. With all this mixed informaiton I am wondering if it will be as effective as the Suboxone was. My instincts tell me that buprenorphine is buprenorphine and there should be no difference, however I've read in many places that this is not the case.
Anyone have personal experiences using Temgesic specifically for opiate withdrawal?? Buprenorphine is indeed buprenorphine but pay attention to the dosages. The most typical dosage unit I have seen for Temgesic is .2 mg. So, 5 of those would be equal to your previous treatment to get off of opiates. I assume you are comparing the overall cost of Suboxone treatment with a US doctor to ordering Temgesic from a foreign online dealer? I don't know how that expense compares but the opiate users I have seen switching from their drug of choice to buprenorphine would not be very happy facing the uncertainties of receiving drug shipments from some illegal off-shore shipper. You should consider that lack of reliablity when deciding how you want to proceed with opiate replacement therapy. It can be a rocky road to try and self-medicate.
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